actually you specifically asked if i needed a "rifle that lets you kill from a half mile away". i was mearly pointing out that in terms of technology available in 1874 that a half mile isnt very far. in terms of technology starting oh say 1948 or so when telescopic sights became affordable to the average hunter, though there have been telescopic sights on rifles back to the late 1800's, shooting something the size of a man out past a half a mile isnt that difficult with practice. also Steve i actually thought you directed your last set of questions at me personally and not at the ideas in general. i think if you read back over your statement you can see where i got that impression. i went on personal terms cause i thought thats the way you wanted me to answer the question.