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    i just figure one of these days your going to slide right off into the sea



    alright since your specifically asking "me". i hate the 9mm, they are a piss poor handgun round for self defence which is why more and more troops are going back to the 1911 even if they have to buy their own ammo. most special forces types are using the 45ACP once again. i would much prefer a 1911 in 45ACP. with handguns i prefer a bigger hole. even though a 45ACP is throwing the bullet at slower speeds(below the speed of sound infact) i would rather have it than a 9mm. besides a bigger hole in the target its got less of a report in enclosed spaces. being that i prefer the standard 1911 it means i would also be using magazines that hold in general 7 rounds. high capacity mags in handguns are a pain in the *** and if your going to need more than a mag full your better off having a rifle.

    point of fact at the moment i do not own a handgun, as i havent found one im sweet on yet. though within the last year ive owned a semi auto 22 pistol and a 44 magnum revolver. however i generally carry a rifle as i have always done. i generally have a rifle at the office(its a firearms friendly place, most of the employees hunt) as well as usually carrying one in my vehicle.

    as far as a rifle that kills at half a mile. do you realize the old buffalo cartridges can be used out past a half a mile if you know the distance and know what your doing? thats with no scope, lead bullets and black powder. ive seen it done at a black powder shoot down the road from me with such regularity that its damn near scary.

    a mile is 1760 yards which makes a half mile 880 yards. i've hit a coyote just this side of 400 yards with a 4 power scope and a rifle round thats more suited to routing grizzly bear out of alder thickets at powder burn range than pot shotting 'yotes at a quarter mile using my pickup hood as a rest. with some practice and a more suitible rifle, smoking a human sized target at 900 yards isnt that big of a stunt. i know of one person who routeenly shoots deer at the 600-700 yard rangeand is damn consistant with one shot kills. however this guy prolly shoots more ammunition in a year than the entire local national guard unit does. practice and an accurate rifle do wonders with making long shots look easy.

    as for my personl preferance for defending my personal property, within my home it would be a short barreled lever action 44 mag rifle. outside it would be a properly tuned semiauto FN-FAL in 7.62 NATO with the standard 20 round magazine.

    however as i said before im more worried about big brother than some invader as was our founding fathers back in 1776. the constitution was put forth to protect Joe Blow from the government, doesnt make sence to me to take rights away from Joe Blow and give them to big brother
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    I dont know why you are so insistant on nitpicking tivialities such as proper terminology or the exact distance from the target or what specific handgun is the "best" while completely avoiding the actual point of my posts. I used 9mm cause it was easy to type, thats all. It has no bearing on the effectiveness of said weapon.

    If you read back to my original post, I said that "I see no reason for massive capacity magazines for home defence and I see no reason for military type (or "assault" if you prefer) weapons for hunting or home defence." Thats all I said. None of the discussion from that point has had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with those specific points. Why should ANY handgun need a magazine that holds more than 7-10 rounds other than to make it possible to kill more targets with fewer reloads? Again, thats not home defence.

    btw I'm not the one talking about taking anyone out here, don't know what you meant by that but having a Bow in a Firefight is laughable. You'd be outranged and powered by a Looooonnnnnggggg shot.
    Nobody said that I would carry a bow into a firefight. If a man were to break into my home, he is well within range of my bow and all the kevlar vests in the world wont protect him. Knives, arrows and the like penetrate those vests with little or no disturbance, ESPECIALLY in close quarters. Thats all that I meant by that.
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    actually you specifically asked if i needed a "rifle that lets you kill from a half mile away". i was mearly pointing out that in terms of technology available in 1874 that a half mile isnt very far. in terms of technology starting oh say 1948 or so when telescopic sights became affordable to the average hunter, though there have been telescopic sights on rifles back to the late 1800's, shooting something the size of a man out past a half a mile isnt that difficult with practice. also Steve i actually thought you directed your last set of questions at me personally and not at the ideas in general. i think if you read back over your statement you can see where i got that impression. i went on personal terms cause i thought thats the way you wanted me to answer the question.
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    About 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each year, so don't worry about hurricanes and earthquakes; don't drive around so much. Heart disease & strokes will kill about 800,000, so don't bother arming yourself against the invading Mongol hordes, you'd be better off eating a better diet and losing some weight.
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    as far as the "need" of a magazine that holds more than 10rounds.........the standard round capasity of certain firearms has always been over 10 rounds. i believe the browning hi-power pistol originally carried 12 or 14 rounds and this was a standard, civilian pistol of the turn of the century. the standard Ar-15 magazine has always been 20 rounds and the standard AK mag has always been 30 rounds. as to why someone should have them. it is my understanding of the constitution and my understanding of the founding fathers intention that it is our right to have them if we so chose. i personally have lil use for most of them, i find having a more compact pistol or rifle to be more handy , and that handiness to out weight the benifits of a larger magazine. however that is MY opinion and it is not nessisarily the correct one in all circumstances. magazine capasity has absolutely nothing to do with the killing power of a firearm. a persons mentality and personal training does. a person with decent training could have gone through VT with 2 double action revolvers that only holds 6 shots apiece and racked up just as high or higher of a body count. hell Timothy Mcveigh killed 168 ppl and wounded over 800 without firing a shot. the weapon has nothing to do with anything, the persons mental state does.
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    Saying the 2nd Amendment guarantees a right to have a high capacity magazine is like saying the 1st Amendment guarantees a right to have kiddie porn. When you dig past the surface, the pornographers' arguments are the same "slippery slope" arguments as the gun crowd's. If I don't fight for the right of someone to sell pornography, the government will be confiscating my Faulkner next. If I don't fight for the right of someone to carry an AK, the government will be coming for my shotgun. It all comes down to the pornography and gun industries trying to protect their profits by exploiting people's fears. Fukkem.
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    ahhhh Bruce, but kiddie porn has a "victem" there is an abused/exploited child who can not defend themselves, the act of owning a high capasity magazine for a firearm has no victem........
    cervid serial killer
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    First I'd like to say that while some may disagree with me, I am firmly against kiddie porn. If those that disagree with me could kindly post their name and address we'll have two very nice men in white coats visit you for tea and candy.

    I REALLY don't see the harm. I mean I want people to be as free as possible, I mean.. cough cough... remember the whole "Land of the Free" thing? Whatever happened to that? There is no damage to another human by Sheridan owning an AK47 or sniper rifle or WHATEVER it is we are talking about today because I don't know diddly squat about guns (and don't really care about them).

    Look, the way I see it, just because something is illegal doesn't mean jack. Do you think a criminal is going to not buy one on the black market just because Uncle Sam says not to? Sure there will be less of them out there to get, and it will be harder to get one, but they will still be there to have, supply and demand you know. EVERYTHING has a price if you are willing to pay enough, and as long as someone wants something it will be out there to have.

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