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    I don't think it has anything to do with being PC. Part of this culture is the diversity and learning to live to each other. It's a freaking ham sandwich! Are they not supposed to go through the lunch line on days they serve pig products because it will bring them within 6.2 meters of that product? This is just insane. Living in modern times means interacting with people who do not share the same lifestyle as you. Obviously nobody should be harassed at any time, but if it turns out this ham sandwich was not intentionally used to provoke or harass these Muslim students then who gives a crap. Accidents happen. Too bad. So sad.

    Of course, since we are analyzing this to death I wonder what that says about us? lol.

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    I mean, I don't understand Islam.
    Well, all their beliefs are because of a book on the teachings of some guy who lived a long time ago. Who would believe something silly like that?

    I think it's kind of hard for us, growing up in the Christianity-dominated Western world, to really get Islam etc. I mean I totally see where you're coming from. I'm especially not a fan of the men-are-twice-as-valuable-as-women rule. But really, nobody on Earth knows FOR SURE what the deal is with the universe. As long as you're true to what you believe, and are respectful to others and what they believe, I think that's what's important. I say live and let live.

    anyway, I don't think all Muslims are that strictly religious. My boss will disappear on Friday afternoons to go pray for an hour, but not 5 times a day. I met his wife once, she was wearing a t-shirt and jeans. I'll ask him about the ham thing and get back to you guys.
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    It is real. I just told my dad and he's heard about it as well. Sadly this kind of thing is becoming more and more common. This is what i say; we should suspend the somalis for intolerance and ignorance. Seesh, what's happening to the world
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    More people have died in the name of religion than from anything else,

    This is where our founding fathers had their greatest insight, to separate the two...it also worked in Turkey after World War One... so you can see a vibrant and successful example in both the Christan and Muslim worlds

    What we have here is people taking advantage of the poor and uneducated of the world (on both sides, at one time we supplied arms to Iraq, Afghanistan etc. when it was in our best interest), when you have no dreams, no hope what would you be capable of

    and that is what makes this war so terrible, when people feel they win if they die, how in the f@#$ do you combat that

    It's going to be a long **** road mates, I've got a lot of friends in the sand box and their private thoughts and letters are not encouraging, they are proud and do their duty but most know that this battle will not be over in a month or a year

    but we have no choice now, right or wrong the die is cast... this will be the struggle of a generation or more

    just my opinion, nothing more
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    edit: my apologies, my comment has nothing to do with a ham sandwich...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presto View Post
    anyway, I don't think all Muslims are that strictly religious. My boss will disappear on Friday afternoons to go pray for an hour, but not 5 times a day. I met his wife once, she was wearing a t-shirt and jeans.
    yah i don't get it when people think all members of any religion are hardliners. christianity has all kinds of levels, from amish sects to midwestern megachurches to the christmas-easter crowd and all the levels in between. judaism too... my boyfriend is a reform jew, but if he were part of the orthodox or hasidic jewish movements my guess is he wouldn't be allowed to date a nice christian girl such as myself

    unfortunately, for moderate christians and muslims, it's mostly the nuts on the fringes who get all the media attention these days. just look at the evolution "debate"
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    Quote Originally Posted by xvart View Post
    Part of this culture is the diversity and learning to live to each other.
    agreed there...I guess we need to know the whole story. Was the ham-sandwich-leaving kid purposely trying to upset them? I mean I could picture someone just being like, "Hey, guys, I have something for you in the bag." I could see that qualifying as a hate crime. On the other hand, if he was just eating lunch, well..melting pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Av8tor1 View Post
    edit: my apologies, my comment has nothing to do with a ham sandwich...
    How dare you not address the business of this ham sandwich!!!

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    JLAP many of the things you said about Islam are aspects of Arab culture not something strictly part of Islam. The treatment of women is a very good example of something that is an aspect of Arab culture and not necessarily part of Islam. Veiling women is something that Arabs interpreted the Qu'ran to proscribe so they do. However many women in more liberal countries such as Jordan do not veil any more. In Turkey, a predominately Muslim country I did not see a single veiled woman. Basically my point is make sure you are truly talking about Islam and not Arab culture. Arabs only represent about 20% of all Muslims. 70 virgins is a horrible mistranslation of the Qu'ran that is not believed by many Muslims. Oh and what standard do you judge more advanced by? Also "western culture" used force and politics to keep the middle east from "advancing". The west especially the US has done a lot to keep their economy from industrializing while stripping the region of its natural resources. The rest of the world had similar problems under colonialism hence the reason that N. America and Europe are the most "advanced".
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