"The tragedy of life is not that every man loses; but that he almost wins."
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
Now I like bologna with some horseradish and swiss cheese on toasted sourdough.
God I sound like an old woman. Kill me now.
instead of six degrees of Kevin Bacon, we have six degrees of Ham or Bacon
edit: six degrees, not seven ways....
does wild boar count as ham?
the point at which you realise your friends are also nerds: you ask for a quadrant in the fourth dimension, and they say 10:00
Well i dont know about any other feild, but in science and advancements in technology they do it to themselves. In contrast to the shining history of acheivemnts and the strives they made ho help spurn the science revlution, the past few hundered years have been rather sadWestern countrys still activly retard the advancement of many iddle Eastern countries
"Currently, the scientific output of Arabs is disproportionate to their human and economic capacities. Taking biomedical research as an example, Arab countries currently produce less than 1% of citations in the world and contribute less than 0.5% of papers appearing in the 200 leading medical journals. Annual spending on research and development in Arab countries is estimated at 0.15% of their gross domestic product (GDP), compared to a world average of 1.4%. Lack of funding, poor institutional support, and meager integration within the international scientific community are among the many reasons that analysts have cited to explain the current status of science in Arab states. More general factors, such as wars, conflicts, and international political and economic sanctions, also have been implicated"To usher science and technology more thoroughly into Arab culture and society, however, the West needs to acknowledge the Arab world's historical contributions, and the Arab world needs to stop dwelling on its golden past by also embracing lessons about science and technology that the West learned long ago.
Most of the reserch funding is directed at wepons development. There is almost no funding for material or natural sciences. This cannot be blamed on the West for the countrie's meager reserch funds.
Rich Arabs believed that oil money plus Western technology was a simple formula for industrialization and modernization. Thus, acquiring the latest technological products or shares in hi-tech industries became synonymous with being partners in the technological revolution of the modern world. After all, most Arabs view science as a commodity that can be separated from the thought processes and sociocultural attributes of its producers. This perspective makes it hard to appreciate the differences in culture and values between technology-producing and technology-consuming societies.
....the arrival of innovations brings with it, directly or indirectly, the lifestyle and sociocultural values of their innovators. Wealth, it seems, is powerless against the culture of those who create and own the technology.
...has been to view the West's interest in science as an improper indulgence in material trivialities. For decades, these changes were proliferating and festering under the surface, creating an atmosphere inimical to science and one effectively closed to the possibility of learning from the Western experience.
Science was caught in the cross-fire. Subconsciously for many Arabs, modern science's ties to the West, to rationalism, and to natural materialism gave it the flavor of enmity. And because science cannot be practiced nowadays without close collaboration with Western academic institutions, research has become, in the minds of many Arabs, a suspicious activity and yet another potential gateway for Western incursion.
that makes no logic
So if a culture does not put a great emphasis on science and instead emphasis on spirituality and their fate in the afterlife that makes them backwards? What makes a belief in science superior to an emphasis on spirituality. Just because science is more important in your life doesnt mean it should be in everyones life.
The fact that they spend a large portion of their incomes on weapons development is a direct result of colonialism and the mandate period where the western nations created artificial borders grouping people who do not get along and set up weak puppet governments who collapsed and were disposed by dictators. The country's like Iran(who's people are Persians, not Arab but was mentioned earlier in the post) who did develop democracy had them disposed by US back revolutions. Dictators and religious regimes are not known for allowing the most freedom of thought and kindness to new scientific discoveries. On top of this the western nations (especially the US and Britain) placed Israel into the middle east and then gave them large quantities of advanced weapons driving an arms race in the middle east. The west also backs Israel in their aggressive expansionist actions forcing Israel's neighbors to have large militarizes and try to close the technology gap through weapons development spending.
Finch what source did you use for your information? Also I would like to see the science spending of other former colonial countries freed around WWII vs. the middle east. I imagine they would not be fairly similar. I have a feeling that much of the rejection of western science is a result of the governments that control the countries. If you examine countries like Jordan they are very western and are scientifically and medically advanced as well as granting many freedoms to its citizens. Now if you look at a country like Saudi Arabia they are probably the most oppressed and least scientifically advanced. In both situations the government in control is the major factor controlling these differences, with Jordan's rulers encouraging advancement (especially king Hussein) and Saudi Arabia has had rulers who oppressed their own people, especially the current king, King Abdullah, who maintains his power for the most part through US backing. So argueing that the west has not help to keep the middle east form advancing is a bad argument and in many ways blames the victim.
"We're terrible animals. I think that the Earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should." - Kurt Vonnegut
Um... this story makes it sound like the ham sandwich raped someone.
Seriously, what the!? OMG, this is bogus.
"Colonialism" runs on both sides, the Ottoman empire lasted for centuries (until the end of WW1) . Following the conquest of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Empire entered a long period of conquest and expansion, extending its borders deep into Europe and North Africa
Primarily it was the technological advancements in British shipping and industry that put into check this aggressiveness during the 17th and 18th centuries, motivated in part due to it's own survival
In fact during WW1 the Ottoman Empire dealt a major blow to the "Commonwealth" nations at Gallipoli, a battle which is near and dear to the hearts of all ANZACs to this day
( I have an original 1916 1st edition copy of the "ANZAC Book" written by the Australian/NZ soldiers while in the trenches at Gallipoli, sorry... just proud of it, a very prized possession LOL)
the sins of man know no borders, no one religion...every culture is just as guilty at some point in its history
So if a culture does not put a great emphasis on science and instead emphasis on spirituality and their fate in the afterlife that makes them backwards?
Who said that> i never even said that they were less advanced. I never said that. Dont put words in my mouth
What makes a belief in science superior to an emphasis on spirituality. Just because science is more important in your life doesnt mean it should be in everyones life.
I am spiritual too. I never said that either. People choose their own way thats fine.
Its one of my pet peeves when people put words in my mouth that i never said. Please, stop.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY was that the west is not keeping the Arab culture down in science. Secondly, yes Jordan is very relatively advanced in the sciences
Did you look at the statistics i gave? They spend a vanishingly small portion of their incomes on any form of research, weapons or otherwise.... now militarization, is another story. The west is partially responcible for the militarization and arms race, but not for wepon reserch funding.The fact that they spend a large portion of their incomes on weapons development
Saudi Arabia isnt the only country out there doing this. So is Syria, Pakistan, Egypt and many countries not directly supported by the US do the same thing. The
Most Arab societies, not just Saudi Arabia, are run by dictatorships that practice different levels of censorship on their citizens.
It is the Middle Eastern governments fault. The US has meddled directly in several ME countries, but not be a long shot all of them so directly. If the US stops backing Saudi Arabia right now, they are strong enough to keep control without our governments support.
Most higher scientific institutions in Arab countries are run by governments, which, in undemocratic systems, means that their goals actually are more political than scientific. This mode of governance reflects unfavorably on many aspects of academic life, rendering scientific merit and research of little importance for career advancement and precluding any genuine evaluation of the scientific performance of these institutions. Lack of high-quality research by faculty members, in turn, limits training opportunities for students and hinders the development of the very organizational structures that would support the growth of research capacity. This has turned most Arab universities merely into centers for knowledge dissemination, not for questioning, criticism, and an authentic search for new knowledge.
I fear that no such list exists, however, there is no reason why they should still be giving substandard funding. Especially the middle east, with its wealth. India is a country that was released arond WWII and its spending is at or above what western nations spend..? Also I would like to see the science spending of other former colonial countries freed around WWII vs. the middle east. I imagine they would not be fairly similar
The sources of the statistics i gave are
Al-Khader, Saudi Med. J. 25, 1323 (2004).
Massod, Nature 416, 120 (2002).
O. Tadmouri, N. Bissar-Tadmouri, Lancet 362, 1766 (2003).
that makes no logic