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    interesting.............................

    Run-in changes lawmaker's stance
    Tuesday, May 15, 2007
    Phillip Morris
    Plain Dealer Columnist

    It's funny how a gun can instantly change your perspective on things, make you wish you could rewrite history.

    State Rep. Michael DeBose, a southside Cleveland Democrat, discovered this lesson the night of May 1, when he thought he was going to die. That's the night he wished he had that gun vote back.

    DeBose, who had just returned from Columbus, where he had spent the day in committee hearings, decided to take a short walk up Holly Hill, the street where he has lived with his wife for the past 27 years.

    It was late, but DeBose, 51, was restless. The ordained Baptist minister knew his Lee-Harvard neighborhood was changing, but he wasn't scared. The idle, young men who sometimes hang out on his and adjacent streets didn't threaten him.

    He is a big man and, besides, he had run the same streets before he found Jesus - and a wife. That night, he just needed a walk.

    The loud muffler on a car that slowly passed as he was finishing the walk caught his attention, though. When the car stopped directly in front of his house - three houses from where he stood - he knew there was going to be a problem.

    "There was a tall one and a short one," DeBose said, sipping on a McDonald's milkshake and recounting the experience Friday.

    "The tall one reached in his pocket and pulled out a silver gun. And they both started running towards me."

    "At first I just backed up, but then I turned around and started running and screaming."

    "When I started running, the short boy stopped chasing and went back to the car. But the tall boy with the gun kept following me. I ran to the corner house and started banging on Mrs. Jones' door."

    It was at that point that the would-be robbers realized that their prey wasn't worth the trouble. Besides, Cheryl, DeBose's wife, and a daughter had heard his screams and had raced out to investigate. Other porch lights began to flicker on.

    The loud muffler sped off, and DeBose started rethinking his gun vote.

    DeBose twice voted against a measure to allow Ohioans to carry concealed weapons. It became law in 2004.

    DeBose voted his conscience. He feared that CCW permits would lead to a massive influx of new guns in the streets and a jump in gun violence. He feared that Cleveland would become the O.K. Corral, patrolled by legions of freshly minted permit holders.

    "I was wrong," he said Friday.

    "I'm going to get a permit and so is my wife.

    "I've changed my mind. You need a way to protect yourself and your family.

    "I don't want to hurt anyone. But I never again want to be in the position where I'm approached by someone with a gun and I don't have one."

    DeBose said he knows that a gun doesn't solve Cleveland's violence problem; it's merely a street equalizer.

    "There are too many people who are just evil and mean-spirited. They will hurt you for no reason. If more people were packing guns, it might serve as a deterrent.

    "But there obviously are far deeper problems that we need to address," he added, as he suddenly seemed to realize he sounded like a gun enthusiast.

    They say the definition of a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. DeBose's CCW application will bear some witness to that notion.

    To reach Phillip Morris:

    pfmorris@plaind.com, 216-999-5086

    Previous columns online:

    cleveland.com/columns


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    Funny how an experience like that will change a person's mind about gun control.
    I think that experience parallels, "I never met an atheist in a foxhole."

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    I'm surprised he didn't want to get all guns banned. You would think a guy that voted against concealed carry twice wouldn't want them around at all. Now if we could get the Illinois folks to allow concealed carry that would be sweet. Too many votes against in the State of Chicago including Herr Dailey.
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    Guns....AGAIN?? Man, y'all love those things.
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    I think what he realized that night... is passing those laws only keeps guns away from law abiding citizens. Which are the same people that won't carry the gun to cause trouble. A "no gun" law (or other restriction of all most any form) only helps the "bad guy" by making sure the good people he's victimizing don't have protection.
    Last edited by adnedarn; 05-16-2007 at 01:33 PM. Reason: changed robbing to victimizing since guns are used for many crimes not just robbing....
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    Crank and heroin are illegal, that does not stop them from getting to anyone who wants it. Same with guns.

    Murder is illegal. Doesn't stop it from happening.

    Gambling is illegal in some places, people still do it

    Prostitution is illegal, people do it ...err... them... err it happens.

    Stealing someones liver, leaving them in a cheap Vegas hotel after they've bought crank, killed someone, played slots and found a hooker, priceless.

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    I think my point was that LOTS of things are illegal and that doesn't stop people from doing it. It doesn't mean SQUAT and gang bangers, coke barons, and crazy people with a mental problem don't care about the law. They aren't going to say "Ohhhh that's illegal, I better not do that! I could go to jail!". No. They shoot you. When someone is about to shoot you, I say you should shoot them back. I support MAXIMUM freedom, and owning a gun is a freedom. I say control guns, sure. Want a concealed weapon? Get a concealed-weapons permit. Want a gun? Agree to a background check. Wait three days. It's just three days. Let's keep them in the hands of the responsible people because the gangsters and crack dealers and crazy hillbillies will still have guns no matter WHAT the law says.

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    hmmm... weird. having just purchased my first firearm, i'm a little confused. i live in ohio. we have ccw classes and ccw permits. when did ohio not allow ccw? or is it just cleveland that has banned ccw? any ideas?

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    And if he had had that gun that night.. We would probably be commenting on his obituary rather than his flip flop.
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