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    Oh no, I do believe it's possible. Absolutely I believe it's entirely possible. I also believe that it didn't happen that way, especially with the evidence we have supporting evolution, and when you are thinking like a scientist any religious ideas are irrelevant. I'm saying when one makes so much sense, and the other makes so little sense, it's ridiculous to me, for someone to go against all logic and choose the latter, and then try to have the logical former taken out of schools. The least they can do is think about theistic-evolution.

    You really make me use my noggin and look up these passages

    Deuteronomy 21
    21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

    21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

    21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


    Leviticus 20:9

    9For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

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    Originally Posted by ktulu View Post
    You are giving examples of political control not religious control.
    Where do you think this political control comes from?

    Originally Posted by Farmer Dave View Post
    mob rule?
    not all political control comes from religion. Look at our government, sure some of it might be a little contoled (corrupted) by religion, but some other things are just common sense.
    Your not even talking about what me and Ktulu were discussing...
    yeah, I think that I am.
    You asked "where do you think that political control comes from?"
    and I replied "mob rule?"

    that's where I think that political control comes from

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    No, men are not supposed to be the head of the household. It can go either way or be a 50/50 split. Mine for example is matriarchal. Men back then were sexist. Man wrote the bible. Sexism is in the bible.

    This is Ephesians 5:22-33. It's really fine, except for telling women to be submissive and saying the husband is the head of the wife, which may be interpreted ( and I do) as the husband is superior to the wide. It's horribly sexist.

    22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[b] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
    I don't think having men be the head of the household makes men superior to women. It's an equal relationship with different roles/jobs. Men and women are physically different (besides genitalia), which suites them for different roles.
    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Where do you think this political control comes from?

    Genesis 3:16 deals with the fall of Adam and Eve. If you want to talk about the gender roles then yes men are supposed to be the head of the household. That does not mean men are to treat them like animals like in some countries. Try reading Ephesians 5:22-33, it goes into great detail on the relationship between husbands and wives.

    1 Timothy 12 does not exist. There are only 6 chapters in 1 Timothy.
    Political control can come from many differnt sources though they all essiantally boil down to those with power convincing those without that they are better off under their control. They may use religious force, military force, political, or economic forces as long as a us-them dichotomy.

    Are you sure you are refering to Islam and not Arab and Middle Eastern traditions when you talk about the mistreatment of women. Turkish women are mostly Muslims but are well educated, not treated like animals. The Qu'ran contains many protections for women such as ownership of their dowries, prohibition from men taking(marriage) them against their will, inherit property, and disaggree with their parents selection for whom they should marry. Traditional Arab culture on the other hand does not have these protections and is often confused with Islamic law.

    Oh and that was supposed to be 1Timothy 2:12 sorry for the typo.
    "We're terrible animals. I think that the Earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should." - Kurt Vonnegut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer Dave View Post
    yeah, I think that I am.
    You asked "where do you think that political control comes from?"
    and I replied "mob rule?"

    that's where I think that political control comes from
    Yes and that was in reply to what we were talking about earlier. You are just taking my reply and spewing it in a different tangent that is irrelevant.
    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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    Sure, I can go with that, but why must a man be the head and lead? Why is a man better suited to leading? Sure, I can see how a man is better suited to digging a hole or something physical like that, theoretically of course, but leading really doesn't have anything to do with muscles.

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    no, I do believe that that's the order that it happened, and that's the meaning of what I said.

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    Why would God create each individual species alien to one another, so alien that they didn't share ANY of the same building blocks?
    You are refering to cells, I'm refering to their form and function. If you wanted to build a human, creating an embryo with a tail is creating a creature backwards. There is absolutely no reason to give an embryo a tail just so it can eventually grow out of it.

    Take a look again at the chart if you have an open mind(http://www.plyojump.com/courses/biol...es/embryos.jpg). Look how small differences start to occur in the embryos. The fish and the amphibian have a near identical embryo, same with the reptile and the bird, and lastly the two mammals. All animals are related, the embryos show this.

    The Earth used to be covering with water and aquatic life(fish) flourished. The next group to rise were the amphibians as land became a place of safety as the ocean was already filled with creatures all competing. Shortly after the group known as reptiles became the rulers of the land, they were more suited to land life than the amphibians(btw, reptiles for the most part of that era = dinosaurs. You do beleive the huge bones that have been discovered and dated back milions of years aren't just God testing us, right?). After the climated change that resulted in the ice age occured, only reptiles that had the mobility to escape to warmer areas of Earth, or insulation to survive cooler seasonal temperatures(feathers) were able to survive and pass on their genes. Through evolution, higher body temperatures were required to out compete the existing organisms, hence mammals thrived and here we are now.
    The point I was trying to get at is that you can't fathom it being possible or being realistic that God created things into existence in an instance.
    I think the issue is after a life time of being taught the answers to life through the simplicity of something that requires faith, you have a hard time being able to fathom that we are all the results of billions of years of survival of the fittest and evolution.
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