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    the death of Christianity

    I thought this might be an interesting read to some people. Below is the link.
    http://www.markswatson.com/dyrel.html

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    That was a good article. My observation, from reading Jewish and Christian history is that satan has this tendency to come up with neat sounding philosophies that people embrace for awhile. And then he comes back to them, with different spins, to be relevant to the existing society. Seems like Arianism came back as "The Way International" and Stoicism got redressed in the past century's science/age of reason.

    In spite of all the garbage out there, God has always preserved a remnant.

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    Why do people like him care? I don't understand. Why cant he just do his own thing, be happy and worship whomever he wants how he wants and not worry about everyone else? I believe in God. It's great, but I don't advertise my view of god onto other people or try to "educate" them or change politics without an invitation. Take othat money spent on the church billboard, that I find personally offensive and an eyesore, and feed some hungry children, or get some help for a drug addict that wants it. I just don't understand how what I do affects yu, so why would you want to limit my freedom to be happy in the way I wish? It's not you, so why worry about it? Is it because the Christian Right has been a minority for so long that now they are afraid of losing their power? I'm not saying that to be a smart butt, just think about it. Let's say the entire world because a horrible atheist society. Homosexuality and abortions were commonplace. Why would it bother you if you did your own thing? According to your beliefs, they are the ones that are going to hell, so why bother? According to the Bible, Jesus went from place to place spreading his message, but he didn't stay in a town and force it on other people. He offered to tell them, and if they declined he went on. Why can't people just be like that? Look at me. If someone wants to talk about religion with me, I'll talk. I think it's fascinating, but I'll do it in an unbiased way and stay neutral. If they want to hear what my personal beliefs are, they can ask me and I'll tell them and that will be that.

    New age beliefs.... what does it hurt? If I believe in Astral Projection or Prana or the power of Crystals, how does it bother you if I don't try to influence politics? Maybe God did create them? So what if they are a part of another belief system. That does not make them evil or bad. Have you ever met a "New age" person? They are some of the best damn , and most interesting for sure, people in the world. They are all about everyone doing their own thing to be happy and that's cool.

    Do you know what I think about God? I think he's so great, he's above all of this. I don't think God cares what I do in my bedroom, or if Susy has an abortion. Have you ever tried to put yourself in the position of another person, and tried to think of what it would be like to go through something like that and the internal conflict and the reasoning of how a person would come to the conclusion of having an abortion?

    The way I see the Bible is, it's a book. It was inspired by God, but written by man. They had politics back then, they had hate, they had inequalities and all of the same problems we have today, but they were more primitive people, philisophically. God did not write the bible. How can I say I know the mind of God? How can I begin to comprehend something so unimaginably great? That's like a mouse trying to comprehend the mind of a human , but on such another level that there is no analogy to describe it.

    You may say that My god isn't Your God, or the real God. Well, Why can't we all have our God if we want? I accept Jesus just like you do, so why can't we leave it at that? You and I will see each other in Heaven one day, so why can't we be happy now and enjoy what time we have on this plane of existence? I accept Jesus, I'll go to heaven because my name is written in the book of life. So what if I fall in love with a man? So what if I support abortion? The end result is the same. Live and let live. Mormonism, Jehova's witnesses, etc. If they accept Christ, and you believe that's good (Hey I have to be PC and secular here) why waste your time to criticize them? It's like going with a friend on a trip. You take one rout and your friend takes another rout. You both get the same result and you're both happy about your trip, so why argue and fight and get mad?

    Whenever I hear someone say something along the lines of homosexuality being evil or whatever, I may cast it off as just the crazy Christian Right getting angry for nothing and being ignorant, then I get angry and try to fight back. I guess because even though sometimes I say I'm above it all, deep down, in some Freudian way, maybe it really does hurt. I don't have all of the answers, you don't, that author doesn't and neither does Hilary Clinton, so why worry over the little stuff? Why not look at the big giant picture in front of you? GOD! He's not about if Adam marries Steve or if Lucy has an abortion. HE"S SO GREAT! He's so amazing he's ABOVE all of the little things that seem so important to us now, and really are, but won't one day. At least that's my God.


    The last thing I want to do is to influence another person's religious views. That is not my place or business. What a heavy load that is! Life is a personal journey, I believe. Why don't we all take that journey together in unity and see what happens at the end? Maybe we'll all be a little surprised, because I believe that we are ALL immortal. If you're a Buddhist, I hope you reach Nirvana, if you are a Muslim, I hope you are greeted with 73 virgins one day, if you're a "New Ager" (What an incredibly broad term, the box is falling apart!) I hope you ascend to a higher plane of existence on a faster vibrational frequency. It's a personal decision to believe what you do, so let's all be happy and respect that! If people would separate politics from religion and think about the world we all have to live in, rather than the world we personally want, things would be great!


    Wow. What a long post. I feel so very fulfilled after typing all of that, and this is my one single favorite, most meaningful and heartfelt post I've ever made. We are all so beautiful, and our God or Goddess or higher universal energy force or lack of religion at all is so personally beautiful to the individual, let's just appreciate what we have and be happy for the happiness of other's. It's so strange that this thread happened, because last night I had the most amazing personal journey and I was thinking all of these things. Maybe God wanted me to spread a message? Maybe not. We don't know, and we can't presume to know, so let's just stand in awe of the mystery and elegance of the universe and enjoy it.

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    wow!

    well, all I have to say is that I do not think (in any way!) that Christainity is a dying religion.
    I mean, look at out government. No abortipns, no gay marriages, and other things, just because they aren't Christain.
    I believe in what JLAP has said here he says that what other people do in their own privacy is their own buisiness and shouldn't matter to you.
    Weither they are gay, foriegn, or a different religion.

    The thing is that I don't ever think that Christianity is going to die, but I do think that all religion needs to be taken out of our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Why do people like him care? I don't understand. Why cant he just do his own thing, be happy and worship whomever he wants how he wants and not worry about everyone else? I believe in God. It's great, but I don't advertise my view of god onto other people or try to "educate" them or change politics without an invitation. Take othat money spent on the church billboard, that I find personally offensive and an eyesore, and feed some hungry children, or get some help for a drug addict that wants it. I just don't understand how what I do affects yu, so why would you want to limit my freedom to be happy in the way I wish? It's not you, so why worry about it? Is it because the Christian Right has been a minority for so long that now they are afraid of losing their power? I'm not saying that to be a smart butt, just think about it. Let's say the entire world because a horrible atheist society. Homosexuality and abortions were commonplace. Why would it bother you if you did your own thing? According to your beliefs, they are the ones that are going to hell, so why bother? According to the Bible, Jesus went from place to place spreading his message, but he didn't stay in a town and force it on other people. He offered to tell them, and if they declined he went on. Why can't people just be like that? Look at me. If someone wants to talk about religion with me, I'll talk. I think it's fascinating, but I'll do it in an unbiased way and stay neutral. If they want to hear what my personal beliefs are, they can ask me and I'll tell them and that will be that.
    Wow...
    JLAP, if you look at the website, you will notice it is a Christian based newsgroup. Obviously it will speak from a Christian standpoint. They are not trying to persuade you or anything, they are just discussing whether or not Christianity is dying religion. Don't worry about it. It is like an online sermon. It's talking to those who want and are willing to listen. We'll even use your analogy of Christ going from town to town. If people listened to Him, He worked with it. If they didn't, he moved on. The same goes for that article, it you are willing to listen and want to listen, then it is the article for you. If you don't want to accept the message of that article then don't. I didn't see any spinning wheels on it trying to hypnotize you into agreeing with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Do you know what I think about God? I think he's so great, he's above all of this. I don't think God cares what I do in my bedroom, or if Susy has an abortion. Have you ever tried to put yourself in the position of another person, and tried to think of what it would be like to go through something like that and the internal conflict and the reasoning of how a person would come to the conclusion of having an abortion?
    Actually, the Bible, being God breathed and all does mention Him caring what you do. He cares enough to give you a choice and it's up to us to make that choice. It makes me think of my parents. The give me the choice to obey or not obey and that works for me. If they did not give me a choice, that doesn't work for me and I'm more willing to rebel and all the such. He gives us a choice of whether or not to believe in Him. If we do, we do. If we don't, we don't. Either way we live with the consequences of our choice.

    Women who are debating abortion are not the only people with internal conflict. Don't make that mistake of telling us to put ourselves in their shoes because short of getting pregnant ourselves, we can't do that (plus the men can't do that anyway ). Every human being suffers some sort of internal conflict, so we don't have to put ourselves in someone else's shoes although it does help us to get a perspective of our own lives. But what does being in someone else's shoes have to do with whether or not God is above all this anyway? He is above all this and ultimately what we type here changes nothing in his plan for what happens in our lives unless it is of course something he wants said. He and He alone is the only one who can persuade anyone one way or another.

    So yea, there's my 2 1/2 cents. JLAP, it's always a pleasure; and we'll have to have at it again soon.... probably next post! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer Dave View Post
    The thing is that I don't ever think that Christianity is going to die, but I do think that all religion needs to be taken out of our government.
    Oh my, we have religion our gov't? I hope you don't mean Bush... I don't care what he is, he has abused a few too many powers, and I used to like him!

    I don't think it's a matter of having or not having religion in our gov't. It is a matter of politicians standing on what they believe but not forcing it into our government. If abortion is to be made illegal, then it better be because the majority of America want it banned, not because a bunch of politicians force it through congress. That's the idea of democracy, rule by the majority. If the majority ban something, then it's banned. If the majority doesn't want something banned, then it's not banned. The way I see it is that abortion won't be banned on a national level until it's dealt with on a state level. If you want to have an abortion I'd suggest you stick to the states. Most of them don't care what you do anyway. Some do, but most don't.
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    Oh I guess I was just philosophizing in general and I was writing as I was thinking and I had just woken up. I think it was mostly coherent lol

    This is a perfect example. You say you like your parents giving you the choice to obey or not to obey. That works for you, that's GREAT and I'm happy that works for you and I think if that's the kind of God you want, that's fine. But what if my idea of God is a being that doesn't say "Do this!" or "Don't do that!" but rather "Follow your heart!" and "Do what feels good!" I believe that our instincts are here for a reason. Why would God give us innate instincts that are bad? My God isn't some Scary old man, mine is more like a Hippie and is caring and understanding. The point is that even though we perceive our God in different ways, when we get right down to it I guess you could say it's the same being that manifests its self to the individual, and according to Christianity we accept Jesus , what does it matter what form our God takes? Same destination, different journey. That's why we should all share ideas in an unbiased manner and try to learn a little bit from each other.

    So answer me, anyone, existentially without mentioning the Bible (Think for yourself!) , if you accept Christ and I accept Christ, but you live your life fundamentally and I live mine liberally or "new age" or "radically" or whatever, what does it matter in the end? Don't say I'm not a "Real Christian" Because if I believe in Christ and accept him, then I'm real. (I normally don't like to call myself Christian but for the sake of my fingers I'll do it)

    As for politics, if a conservative Christian believes the world is going to end one day (many believe soon, ) why vote to restrict freedom for others if all of this BS is irrelevant in the big picture since we'll all be dead and see our individual consequences anyway? Why make life harder for other people if we're all going to die or "poof" be raptured or whatever it is you think is going to happen? How can these same people call themselves patriotic if they want to limit freedom to people who want to be treated equally? I'd also like to know there the sanctity of marriage is when the divorce rate is, what? 50%? Gay love is still love!

    This notion of "Death" is interesting. Latin is a "Dead" language in the sense that few are fluent in it... but it's still here. If something changes forms of existence does it really die? If an ice cube melts, it's still there, just different. Where one person sees a death of Christianity, another person may see the uprising of a new, more liberal (as in interpreting God and the Bible individually rather than traditionally and congregationaly ) Christianity.

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    Am I just some radical or something?

    I hope not!!!!

    Well if Christianity were to subside, and lets say athiesm were to take power and no one were to believe in it anymore then wouldn't Christianity be dead?
    sure it may ressurect, but christainity would be temorarily dead

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