Why does this creep me out jimscott ? Your hanging out by the CP's in LOWES going "Hey kid, I got a Sarracenia that can eat your little sister over here." Poor kid takes it home and the next thing you know he's checking out terraforums after his folks go to bed. Boxes begin arriving from Arizona, descretely marked "model airplane parts". One more victim to the CP addiction is claimed ! Now if I could only convince my kid that it really is a cool hobby. Maybe in about 15 years when I start getting smarter again !!