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Thread: Cheaters do win...barry bonds!

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    Doing it wrong until I do it right. xvart's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiana54 View Post
    yes i can. afterall, i was one of those dorky kids in high school who always got picked last 'cuz i was just really bad at sports.
    And now all those kids that picked on you are probably people that have beer guts and sit around talking about how cool they were in high school when they won the state championship.

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    You should see this one documentary called 'The Man Whos Arms Exploded'. Now THAT is steroid abuse.

    I'm no baseball fan, so I don't really have an accurate opinion on Barry Bonds, and whether steroids are okay or not. However, the first time I really looked at a picture of him (in his full baseball gear), the first thing I thought was that he was a middle aged man with some good muscle, not some steroid abusing body builder. He seemed to be nothing an hour or two of workout a day couldn't do. The few times I've played baseball, it seems it was more about timing and precision placement of the bat than pure power. I'm not sure how much steroids affect these aspects of the game. As you read this, though, Keep in mind that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

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    My feeling about this matter is this. At the time when Barry was supposedly taking drugs, EVERYONE was pretty much taking them to some degree. I believe that Barry would have been a fool not to. If he did, all he really did was level the playing field.

    As someone else said above, homeruns are more about timing and bat speed, not power, so I think he probably still would have broken the record anyway. It just may have taken him a couple years longer.

    The fact is that nobody knows for sure if Barry was actually knowingly taking an illegal drug. There are many substances that are "marginal" and if I remember correctly the stuff they said he was taking was not on the official banned list at the time he was supposedly taking them.

    Congrats Barry Bonds!! And yes I will be cheering the day he gets inducted into the Hall of Fame.. even if all the rest of the self rightous do-gooders in the world are condemning him. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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    There's an old saying and you youngsters should remember this... "Cheaters sometimes prosper".
    There's a tunnel at the end of the light...

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    Cheaters sometimes prosper
    true, but does that make it right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kruegersc4 View Post
    You should see this one documentary called 'The Man Whos Arms Exploded'. Now THAT is steroid abuse.
    Yeah, it's sick! Actually, I think I saw the clip of someone who's calves exploded; but I'm sure the visuals are fairly similar.

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    Here's another old saying for you youngsters... "Everyone gets what's coming to them."
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    The more I think about it, the more I like that analogy to druggy musicians. It's all entertainment, whether it's watching a druggy baseball player or listening to a druggy rocker. How does the fact that we keep score of one's but not the other's performance mean one's drug use is an outrage and the other's isn't? Should I think less of Jimi Hendrix because his performance was fueled by drugs and instead consider, ummm, Pat Boone to be the truer artist because his performance (I assume) never was? Why is it OK for me to appreciate Hendrix, but not Bonds?

    Art is a very competitive world, even if the spectators aren't keeping score. A musician's or a ballerina's competition runs through years of practice and tryouts and performing, just like a baseball player's. Rest assured that all the violin players in the orchestra are scoring their own and their neighbor's performances, because each is trying to get ahead or stay in place and to never fall back. The Beatles and Beach Boys were certainly in competition and there never would have been a Sgt. Pepper's if there hadn't first been a Pet Sounds. Was their (potentially) performance-enhancing drug use OK because it was only the performers who kept track of the score? Did the Beatles have an unfair advantage because Brian Wilson couldn't handle drugs?

    What is competition anyway? My wife used to watch a lot of gymnastics & figure skating on TV and, even during the lamest exhibitions, there was often a panel of judges to hand out a score. The "competitors" told the camera about trying to win, but the pacing of their routines showed it was just month 2 of their three month tour. Would a gymnastics audience feel cheated if someone didn't keep score and would they be outraged if some of the performers are downing speed or sudafed? Is a little drug use OK there but not at the Olympics? Would it be more acceptable if they were dancers? I'll often stop for a few minutes and watch little league games when I'm walking past one of the fields in the area. The kids are certainly focused on the score, but I have no idea what it is and couldn't care less who wins. I just like watching baseball. Does my focus on the "art" of baseball mean I shouldn't be bothered if one of them is on steroids? Should I only be offended if I actually care who wins?

    Maybe if Barry Bonds were personable, people would ignore the steroid allegations. Or maybe if he were white. Or perhaps if he were a cancer survivor. Or would he also have to be a seven-time winner of the Tour de France? The media says to love Lance Armstrong, so the crowd does. The media says to hate Bonds, so the crowd does. I think it's just a feeding frenzy with a crowd believing whatever it's told to believe. Sports reflecting the rest of life. Everyone into baseball knew about the steroids when Mark McGuire hit his 70 home runs 10(?) years ago. But the media praised the race between McGuire and Sosa, so everything was OK. Now the talking heads say it isn't OK and the same people who showered love on McGuire hate Bonds.

    I wasn't going to post in this topic, but finally couldn't resist anymore. I guess reading the following from today's paper inspired me. We take different paths to the same opinion, but he's a much better writer than me. I wonder if there are any drugs for that? Maybe I can win a Pulitzer!

    http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/...435,full.story.
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