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    I'm so conservative I make dictators look like boyscouts. I also live in the 2nd most conservative city in the nation, BUT, there are things that regardless of my extreme rightwing views (and in some cases, they are very extreme), I just can't agree with in terms of stereotypical conservativism. Gay marriage is an example. I don't care. It's a non issue for me...doesn't affect me either way. I don't understand how someone can get angry about homosexuals getting married, especially because that person remains totally unaffected in all cases no matter what. I also like abortion....a lot. I'm 21 and about to (hopefully) go to medical school. If I accidentally got a girl pregz, we would be taking a trip to Walmart for some RU-486. Religion sees it as "murder" even if you chemically abort a blob composed of 18 undifferentiated cells...I see a baby as a parasite until it can survive on its own without being hooked up to tubes and machines and so forth (sometimes they even kill the "host"). I also would like to see billions (yes billions) of dollars pumped into stem cell research. It is the only thing that has the potential to save a ridiculously high amount of lives a year. And come on...anyone who doesn't want to be able to regrow a limb is unamerican. Hell, I want 4 arms so I can play a double necked guitar all the time.

    Point is....republicans/conservatives aren't all bad....though I do admit I'm a rare breed .
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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Are you kidding me? While I do not at all agree with linking the case of homosexuals to the case of blacks during racial discrimination, that claim is ridiculous. How was the slavery different? In both cases people were forced to work fields among many other things against their will. Sounds the same to me. I also don't think Jesus had a Visa, so I don't know how some nomads living in the middle of nowhere 2000 years ago could know about credit card debt and make an awful analogy to it.
    Back then if you were in debt to someone, becoming a slave was a way to work off your debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    I find it hilarious that someone that believes in a fairy tale and denies scientific fact has the tenacity to call someone else ignorant. Lots of ideas in the bible have been discarded as a product of time. I bet you've disobeyed your parents before, so I guess you wouldn't mind if I get some people together to come stone you to death, right? If you think homosexuality is a sin, time to stop being a caveman and realize that its 2007.
    I deny scientific fact, where? I understand that you don't agree with my faith but have some respect, there's no need to be a chump. I made the "ignorant" statement because it would be ignorant to report me to the mods for saying that homosexuality is categorized as a sin as is stealing, murdering or rape. Your arguments lack foundation, what are you trying to say anyways? It's 2007 so for some reason now homosexuality isn't a sin to God anymore? Mmmmk...

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    So just because an idea has been around a long time, that automatically makes it right? I guess its ok to beat women then in your mind. I guess Odinism, which predates Christianity by about 2000 years is really the right religion, simply because its been around so long. Odinism doesn't even mention homosexuality, so I guess you should take a page out of their book (well books rather). Actually your ilk has stolen many a thing from Odinism now that I'm on the topic. Ever wonder why your holidays are when they are? And no, Jesus was not born December 25th lol.
    Once again, another toilet flush of an argument. I never said because marriage has been around longer makes it "right". I said that because marriage has been historically and religiously around longer, maybe that's reason enough to not change its definition. Oh and Dude you better be quiet, Opus Dei is going to come over there and silence you for letting out that information. Seriously who didn't know that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th? Obviously those dates were chosen to represent and celebrate Jesus's birth and death. You almost single handedly killed my faith, close one!

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Your professors teach from the bible? That is the saddest and biggest disgrace to education I have ever heard in my life. I really truly feel sorry for you. Getting no education is better than being "educated" by the worst piece of filth to ever slime its way across the literary table. I'll tell you what, I'll write a book of nonsense, bigotry, hate, and hilarity, and you can be exclusively educated from that. What "school" do you go to? University of Ignorance?
    +5 Intelligence to JLAP. BTW who are the real discriminators and haters of this thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Maybe YOU should look that one up. Jews and Muslims aren't considered a cult, and they don't have a man-crush on Jesus.
    I'm honestly running out of patience responding to stupid statements such as these. I'll save my text.

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Wait..what? That argument makes negative sense. I guess bacterial fission, parthenogenesis, vivipary, etc, are all sins too. Hmm seeing as most life on earth is bacteria, hell must be a dirty place .
    Seriously where do you get this stuff from? Please put down the embalmed doobie.

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    You don't deserve something better until you can come up with better evidence than "because its in the bible".
    I don't deserve something better....once again I'm lost someone get me a map with detailed directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    The anti-Christianity horde just sits and waits at the dinner table with fork in hand, mouths drooling, waiting for news like this! Waiting to point the finger and generalize the Christian faith as a fake. I think it's safe to say most people accept that Christians believe in God, Jesus and the Holy spirit but I think people forget that there is an opposition. Satan. News like this is used as a weapon to combat the Christian faith and to keep non-believers...non-believers and haters...haters. How often do you hear on the news the good things that...wait that's an oxymoron.

    Homosexuality is a sin, just as lusting, adultery, stealing, murder, drunkenness (of any kind), incest..need I go further? Sin is simply anything that misses the mark of God and they are equal in God's eyes. You have free will, you can choose to serve God or indulge in the desires of the flesh but you can't serve both. You are either killing sin or sin is killing you. Can you pursue a lifestyle of sin and still be saved? Anything is possible thanks to God's mercy and grace and those quick to judge homosexuals need to remind themselves that they will be judged by the SAME God. However what people fail to comprehend is that God is not just for the ticket to heaven but this life we are living now. When you are living a life full of sin you are preventing God from blessing and working in your life. Sin only satisfies you temporarily like a drug, then you have to go and get some more to feel good. Each time it promises and entices you to do it again because it'll be so much better the next time but lets you down. It never satisfies. When you replace the sin in your life for a relationship with God it changes everything. Jesus sweat blood just pondering being disconnected from God.

    Regardless of how great God is, there will be people who choose to live their own lives serving their flesh, which is their right to choose. However marriage is a covenant between one man, one woman and God. God forgives sin but does not endorse it. That is why gay marriage does not work. Homosexuals should be allowed to have the same legal rights as a heterosexuals but to use the word marriage just isn't right. If homosexuals are not happy with having equal rights and being called a civil union than I think there is a more underlying agenda here. That would be that homosexuals are more concerned with using the word "marriage" to make their unions deemed as socially acceptable and the "norm" which it isn't. It's the same with being an alcoholic, drug addict, gambler, thief, murder, or pedophile should these be deemed as socially acceptable because people choose to live their lives this way?
    Totally agree and could have never siad it better

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    Wow...This is Sick!

    I believe in and try my best to follow Christ and the example he set for us, but sometimes I'm ashamed to call myself a "Christian."

    Some of these people REALLY need to re-read the new testament.


    EDIT: Actually, what I'm saying is solely on the very first post, as I didn't bother taking the time to read any of the responses....sorry for any confusion.
    Last edited by growergray; 08-17-2007 at 05:41 PM. Reason: Relevence with current conversation

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    Quote Originally Posted by xvart View Post
    Personally, if it is true that a lord or a savior's teachings instructed me to look down upon others or think less of others based on reasons they can't control is not a lord or savior that I want to follow. You can take that one of two ways: 1.) the lord or savior is a just entity that believes in equal and just treatment of everyone; or, 2.) I am spiritually misguided and have no hope of salvation. Either interpretation is fine by me because it is simply an interpretation. If on judement day I stand before god I will accept either decree he might hold for me with pride and self-worth. I'll never know until I die and I'm perfectly comfortable with that because I value the company of those around me.

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    Well first you would have to learn how to read the lord or savior's text and comprehend that. No one here is saying to look down on homosexuals, I love them as I love myself. I can love someone and still not support something they do. I'm sure we can all think of relationships we have with someone where this is true. However like Rampuppy stated, marriage is an institution of God that is currently being attacked because people want to change the definition God chose. It's really not hard to understand. Nowhere have I said to deny homosexuals the right to unite with someone under the law, with the same rights as heterosexuals. JLAP has already explained earlier the problem is homosexuals want to change the definition of marriage to make gay marriage more socially acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
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    http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/wedd...ageBenefit.htm




    A. According to Lambda Legal Defense, more than 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon heterosexual married couples in the United States. By not being allowed to marry, gays and lesbians are denied these rights. Even in the state of Massachusetts, the only US state with legalized gay marriage, most of the benefits of marriage do not apply, because the Defense of Marriage Act states that the federal government only recognizes marriage as "a legal union of one man and one woman as husband and wife".

    1. Joint parental rights of children
    2. Joint adoption
    3. Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
    4. Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
    5. Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
    6. Crime victims recovery benefits
    7. Domestic violence protection orders
    8. Judicial protections and immunity
    9. Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
    10. Public safety officers death benefits
    11. Spousal veterans benefits
    12. Social Security
    13. Medicare
    14. Joint filing of tax returns
    15. Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
    16. Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
    17. Child support
    18. Joint Insurance Plans
    19. Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
    20. Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
    21. Estate and gift tax benefits
    22. Welfare and public assistance
    23. Joint housing for elderly
    24. Credit protection
    25. Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans


    These are just a few of the 1400 state and federal benefits that gays and lesbians are denied by not being able to marry.

    Most of these benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for within the legal system.
    Homosexuals should be entitled to everyone of those 1400 rights, but not under the term "marriage".
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    Read a book that doesn't feature magical cloud-gods. You may learn something.
    You're a hypocrite merely looking for an excuse to justify your own homophobic bigotry.
    And next time, try *thinking* rather than just dismissing things out of hand.
    If your ignorant enough to report me to the mods because I classified homosexuality as a sin, just like murder, rape and stealing then go right ahead, we'll see how far you get with that .
    Your a bigot for thinking that homosexuality should produce children in the first place.
    I'd ask you to debate the point, but since you clearly don't have a logical leg to stand on, you'd just embarrass yourself more.
    Oh, that's right, because you're so narrow-minded and intolerant that you can't stand to know that other people are different from you.
    For the most part this thread has remained relatively civil. Let's keep it that way and stop the name calling, finger pointing, and assuming we know each other based on some posts in a topic. It's not fair to classify anyone, especially if your logical argument for your conclusion is based upon a written post in a thread. And while we're at it, let's stop dissecting logic and linguistics. There is a much better way to counter a point than calling someone ignorant or saying they lack the logical tools.

    This is obviously a hot button topic, and you all will be commended at the end of the day if you follow a basic rule of this forum: treat each other with respect. With that said, please continue.

    Oh, and don't bypass the word filter.

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    ... What's conservative about you, again? Athiest, support gay marriage, abortion, and stem cell research?

    Are you living in a parallel universe, by any chance? No?

    Outsiders, I detest any sort of "reporting" on something like this because it's like snitching. The reason he got upset wasn't because you said it was sinful, but because you said it was as bad as pedophilia.

    Awfully opinionated, aren't we jm82792? Care to elaborate on your concurring opinions?

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