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    Dance safe kids.
    Isn't everyone in this discussion except 1 or 2 significantly older than you?
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    Your joking about overdosing and making things up. To me, that's immature. Call me crazy....

    My link is not about saying "Hey! Do drugs!" My link is about saying "If you're going to do drugs, please be safe." It even supports talking to your parents about drugs. Would you rather people not be safe, outsiders? And once again, you're assuming all people who use drugs have to do so to enjoy life, and that they're hiding from reality. You're assumptions are huge. As far as your religiously-bias material, I can easily say that's just as poisonous to a young mind as any drug can be. Look at the harm religion and the religious have done. One could say religion is a drug for some people..... One could say some people are entirely dependent on pie in the sky thoughts and the prospect of an invisible utopia instead of living in the real world and trying to find real world solutions to real world problems.

    I looked up the keyword of "sex" on that site. In response, I only got things like "safe sex" "safer sex" "be careful" blah blah. It's Dandy's forum and if he doesn't want a link promoting safety, I'd be glad to remove it without question.


    And I believe they are PK I wasn't speaking to anyone in this conversation in particular, and believe it or not we've got people younger than me here (I know, hard to believe!) The bottom line is people are going to do arguably stupid things, and if they are going to do it they NEED to be safe! Look at the fake ecstasy a while back. If people had testing reagents, there would have been fewer deaths. If people talk about stuff like this with their parents, instead of seeing everything in black and white, maybe the world would be a better place. I know I feel much better with my parents after laying it out on the table and being honest and telling them that they and I both know that I'm going to do and what I want to do once I became 18 , and they were glad I told them even though they highly disapprove. I'm lucky to have parents that tell me if I ever get into trouble and need a ride or something, they'll help me out no questions asked. Of course they HIGHLY disapprove but at least there's a line of communication. Nothing good ever comes from sweeping an issue under the rug and hoping it will go away. It's called harm reduction, not elimination.


    I'd also like to say that while I almost never agree with outsiders, and while we both have strong stances on the opposite side of the fence, I genuinely don't dislike him. I can't comprehend how he thinks the way he does, and I'm sure he must feel the same way towards me, but I DO respect his opinion even though I feel it's unfortunate. It's possible to have respect without liking, and in fact whilst detesting, an opinion (or 5 or 12.. ) Not on ALL opinions of course. Not on racism and the like.... but this one is respectable

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    I agree people are going to do stupid stuff no matter what. At my school we have a saferide program to take drunk people home. Though it doesn't totally stop it, it does help a lot, and a lot of people use it. I feel this program is justified because although it does cost money, it saves a lot more in property damages, lawsuits, etc, and also saves 2 or more people's lives. If someone is going to shoot up a bunch of heroin though and overdose in a bathroom somewhere...I can't bring myself to care, especially when my tax dollars are paying for it. I've never really heard of a successful heroin addict, except ones in music, and they all end up dying eventually anyway (except Motley Crue). Arguably, they don't do anything for society (I sure as hell could've lived without Nirvana and Sublime, thats for sure), but think of all the great things drinkers have produced . (Hemingway, Poe, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ulysses S. Grant, Stephen King, all the Kennedys, Capote, Jackson Pollock, all the old country singers like Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, etc). I know a lot of them are writers, but as comedian Dave Attell said, "No one wants to read a book by a pothead writer. It'd be 500 pages on why if you put a hat and glasses on a dog, he looks like he could drive a truck".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    My link is not about saying "Hey! Do drugs!" My link is about saying "If you're going to do drugs, please be safe." It even supports talking to your parents about drugs.
    It takes two clicks from the link you provided that leads to sexual content.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Would you rather people not be safe, outsiders?
    This isn't about people being safe, it is about people being stupid. It's an oxymoron to suggest you can safely abuse drugs. The only safe way to abuse drugs is by not doing them in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    And once again, you're being ignorant by assuming all people who use drugs have to do so to enjoy life, and that they're hiding from reality. You're assumptions are huge.
    Excuse my ignorance, care to show how I'm wrong?

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    As far as your religiously-bias material, I can easily say that's just as poisonous to a young mind as any drug can be.
    Please list 1 example of my "religiously-bias" material that is dangerous.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Look at the harm religion and the religious have done. One could say religion is a drug for some people.....
    I don't call myself a "religious" person nor do I belong to a "religion". I'm a Christian or Christ follower. I believe that there is a God and that He answered His Old Testament promise of a Messiah. His son Jesus Christ was born into human flesh and lived a life of servitude until His death on a cross which redeemed everyone from their sin.

    Please do explain how my faith is like a drug.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    I looked up the keyword of "sex" on that site. In response, I only got things like "safe sex" "safer sex" "be careful" blah blah. It's Dandy's forum and if he doesn't want a link promoting safety, I'd be glad to remove it without question.
    It's not a link promoting safety, it's a link promoting stupidity.
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    Please list 1 example of my "religiously-bias" material that is dangerous
    Bible.
    Should come with a warning label for: use of alcohol, sex, murder, extortion, vengeance, gratuitous amounts of violence, intolerance, etc.
    I rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Bible.
    Should come with a warning label for: use of alcohol, sex, murder, extortion, vengeance, gratuitous amounts of violence, intolerance, etc.
    I rest my case.
    I don't understand your statement, care to elaborate?
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    I'd be happy to show example of how you're wrong.
    The first example is me. I never had to use drugs to be happy, I was happy with or without them. I still am. I kept and keep my grades up and I never hid from reality. Reality is a very nice thing to enjoy. I know many people who are the same way. A person could easily say "Well maybe not 5 years from now....." and I say hypotheticals don't really hold up.

    To say that a drug user NEEDS drugs to be happy and that they are ALL hiding from reality is saying all people who enjoy alcohol NEED it to be happy and they are ALL hiding from reality. Why is this? Because alcohol is a drug. And also, not ALL drug users use addictive drugs! COFFEE is MORE addictive than some recreational drugs. Didn't Jesus drink? Jesus took a drug outsiders. There's nothing wrong with that. Alcohol is a drug, it's just legal.

    The second example is is Bible. To me, that's self-explanatory but it was written by man and has inspired things of great hatred. A long time ago, some people even said slavery is OK because "It's in the Bible." Need I remind you of the crusades? Religious Christian fanatics? Your faith may not be like a drug, and I may agree with what you said, but I have seen many that positively feed off of it, and then beat themselves up over the littlest things (like porn or gambling or getting drunk) yet at the same time telling others how to live. Hell, my own grandmother is a prime example. I believe she also once threw her daughter out of the house for catching an STD, because she is a religious zealot. Go to a narcotics anonymous meeting sometime and see for yourself how they are replacing one addiction with another.

    EDIT: Thanks PK! That's fast! Another great example of religious-inspired damage is Fred Phelps and his clan. We ARE getting off topic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    I'd be happy to show example of how you're wrong.
    The first example is me. I never had to use drugs to be happy, I was happy with or without them. I kept my grades up and I never hid from reality. Reality is a very nice thing to enjoy. I know many people who are the same way. A person could easily say "Well maybe not 5 years from now....." and I say hypotheticals don't really hold up.
    Well either you aren't being 100% truthful or you are an anomaly.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    To me, that's self-explanatory but it was written by man and has inspired things of great hatred.
    That's your skewed version of it. Of course you will think it's hatred because you partake in some things that God says is not holy and we should stay away from.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    A long time ago, some people even said slavery is OK because "It's in the Bible."
    So you are going to base what the Bible says because of what some people say? Do yourself a favor and research the Bible yourself. Slavery is not tolerated. If it was, then why did God even bother helping Moses and the Israelites when they were slaves of Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Need I remind you of the crusades?
    Where does the Bible order something like the crusades? That was man who abused their authority and faith.

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    Religious Christian fanatics?
    Just as bad as those liberal fanatics.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Your faith may not be like a drug, but I have seen many that positively feed off of it, and then beat themselves up over the littlest things (like porn or gambling or getting drunk) yet at the same time telling others how to live.
    Explain how they positively feed off it? What is wrong with being upset about your personal sin? It leads to repentance and a stronger relationship with God. If you never felt upset about something you wouldn't bother to address it.

    Are they really dictating to you how to live or are they suggesting to you there's another way? Maybe you are just intolerant to listening to their POV because it threatens your lifestyle, so you classify them as haters and put no thought to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Go to a narcotics anonymous meeting sometime and see for yourself how they are replacing one addiction with another.
    I don't need to go to a NA meeting, I don't abuse drugs.
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