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    Ok, I can't finish reading all the posts - but here it is.

    It is unwise to say one style if better than another as a broad statement. In certain, very constrained situations, it may be true, but generally not.

    one FIGHTER is simply better than another. Regardless of style. Someone brought up Gracie. I don't think it was his BJJ that made him a sick fighter....It was his natural SKILL at implementing its teachings. Plus he had the attitude and the heart of a champion.

    If I am more skilled in my art that you are in yours, and the other factors are equal, chances are I will win. However, unless my skill GREATLY exceeds your, if you are more motivated than I, chances are YOU will win.

    Lastly, even in the MMA, there are rules. So many teachings of these old-school arts can't be used. That does limmit their effectiveness in the ring, so it's hard to judge them in that context. You would need a true no-rules competition for that....which will just get people killed.

    I've been studying American Kenpo Karate for 17 years and I'm a second degree blackbelt (yes, only 2nd - after 17 years - and no, I'm not a slow learner). I also have a blackbelt in a hybrid style with Kickboxing, plus a limmited background in kali and shotokan (very limmited on that last one).

    I don't care how big you are, or what you know....if you think that my style in inferior to yours because of what you've seen on TV, you won't last a second.

    I don't fight in competitions because they have rules. I don't like rules. I like to bite, poke eyes, kick sacks, colapse wind-pipes, and other not-so-friendly things when I have to fight....Whcih thankfully hasn't ever happened.

    But the point is that half of what I can do would be inadmissable, even in the MMA environment. This is good - I wouldn't want to enter a sanctioned fight (i.e. the guys really isn't trying to kill me) and blind him in one eye. I might feel a twinge of guilt.

    So, someone earlier said that different styles suit diiferent people. This is exactly true - not just because of size differentials, but also different body structures. Find your style, stick to it, LEARN it, learn how to implement it, THEN go find another one....and figure out how to incorporate it....but you should do that for at least 10 years.
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    That’s fascinating stuff, phissionkorps. And I think it’s a safe bet to say that people who really excel in their particular sports at the elite level have a specific body plan that gives them a greater competitive advantage than an average person too. Be it a particular lift in weightlifting, or big feet for swimming… etc.
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nepenthes View Post
    You want to defend yourself? I got a HK USP .45 that I can rely on... it can take out multiple armed attackers. No level of Brazilian, regular, mythical, or fairy jiu jitsu will do that.
    Thats not true mate. I know a Sifu who is personally taught by Rocye Gracie. He has never had to actually fight, but in a class he taught, he told us he had to fight (with protection) several other people who had a higher belt and slightly more skill at once. Jujutstu (another spelling) was designed to kill at hand to hand combat. Thats why the SEALs know it, and all otehr branches. Because it is designed to KILL. With NO WEAPON. So please dont say that Jujutstu doesnt allow a student to take on multiple attackers. Like i said before, its the knowledge that is your aresenal.

    Go to oddysseymartialarts.com I love this Sifu! He teaches the military for free and has a level 4 to teach them which is the higest you can get. The Army LOVES him because of his teachings. He teaches real street self defense, MAC (modern army combatives)and other things as well and uses traditional philosophy. He and his students were also honored by another Sifu to learn Wing Chun (Tsun). His name (the guy im talking about) is John Simons III.
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    I agree with Adam. Green Berets/Rangers use it too. JJ was hardened in the streets of the ghettos of Brazil for protection against multiple attackers, and the ability to kill (if necessary) is built in. It all depends on you using it responsibly though. You could always choke the person out then run...
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    Well, a gun still trumps a martial arts master, no matter what the movies say.

    The armed forces also carry those, you know. If you have a gun, and I'm more than my arm's reach away, I'm toast.

    However, being proficient in martial arts is a good alternative to those who don't want to own a gun (for whatever reason).
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    I'm a fan of guns. If someone broke into my house, I'm using a gun, not BJJ. But, there are times when guns are NOT practical. Like if you're around a huge crowd. Try using the "self defense" excuse when you've killed a bystander
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhistAdam View Post
    So please dont say that Jujutstu doesnt allow a student to take on multiple attackers. Like i said before, its the knowledge that is your aresenal.
    Actually I never said that it couldn't take on multiple attackers. I said it couldn't take on multiple ARMED attackers. As in not everyone intending to hurt you is going to only use their bodies (or knifes and bats for that matter). The bad guys have guns too you know... Ask any of those SEALS which weapon (firearm/body) they would use in a situation with multiple attackers. Probably an HK MP5 or a G36. BTW I already said I believe familiarizing yourself with martial arts is a great supplement to any self-defense program. I'm simply saying that when it comes to dealing with real world situations, you will most likely be overrun. Ask that Sifu how he fares when he comes across a real world situation. Just like Schloaty says, it's not like the movies. People don't take turns attacking you so you can fend them off one by one. The smartest way to attack someone with other people is to surround the person and attack at different angles. We only have two arms to fight them off.
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    I took akido for about a month and then lost interest...I guess it wasn't fast pased enough for me...when I was in fourth grade I took a kickboxing class, but my dad had to pull me out because I was too hyper back then...I'm a little interested in maybe taking kickboxing agian, or krav maga right now, but I'm afraid I'll lose ineterest...
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