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  • #41
im not conditioned to take a hit.....been in a few fights but not conditioned to take a hit, just know its not going to bother me......alot of ppl can not really take a hit to the jaw, atleast not the ppl your likely to get in a fight with......dont have alot of pain nerves in my jaw, same with most my family, hell ive seen my mom extracts her own bad teeth.....in several incidets ive had this proven to me about my personal lack of pain nerves, atleast associated with the bone, joints or teeth......neither time i partially dislocated my jaw did it hurt, i just popped it back in....have shattered a tooth due to a clumsy idiot helping me move furnature and never noticed that half my tooth was gone till my tongue happened to move across the missing piece and exposed nerve....lost a tooth messing around with my baby sister....whole tooth got pulled out roots and all and i didnt notice it till my mouth filled with blood.....never felt a twinge of pain.....talked to a dentist and he told me its not abnormal, not common but he does see it.....yah cant really hit me anywhere in the head, other than busting my nose and have it hurt me enough to stop a fight.....yah can hit me in the temple good enough to make me hallucinate fairly easy but that doesnt kick in for 10 or 15 minutes......and ive never seen a real knock down drag out fight last that long.....
 
  • #42
Ya don’t need to convince me you can take a hit, man. I believed ya the first time. I was just wondering how much is influenced by genetics, or if there is something else at work in regards to who can take a hit and who cant. I was more of musing that you cant tell who can and who cant by how tough they talk and such, how bad they think they are… wasn’t referring to you.
 
  • #43
gotcha.............im not one to talk tough.....as i said i really have no interest getting into a fight...it is not fun....was mainly pointing out differences i have seen when it comes to actual fighting more so than sport....
 
  • #44
Does anyone have any experiences they wanna share?
 
  • #45
Most martial arts are good for a few purposes, like teaching basic self defense moves, and strengthening your body (an excellent aspect of it). The discipline teaching is also a very good aspect... Problem is, most of the times that you will need to defend yourself, you will be at a serious disadvantage: the attacker has a weapon, there is multiple attackers, or you are flat out, out-skilled. As far as martial arts go these days, they are mainly being used for entertainment purposes. Even then, many of the so-called champions have been beat outside of the ring by average people. When you need get into trouble outside of a controlled martial arts match, people are playing for keeps. They don't stop when the referee tells them to. They hit below the belt, they pull hair, gouge eyes, and bite your face. You want to defend yourself? I got a HK USP .45 that I can rely on... it can take out multiple armed attackers. No level of Brazilian, regular, mythical, or fairy jiu jitsu will do that.

Edit: I just want to say that I do not condone the irresponsible use of firearms. Firearms should be used as a last resort measure. In most cases simply pulling out a gun will end an attack, and therefore human lives can be spared/saved. It is good to know some basic self-defense moves, as many of these moves can disable a person without the need for excessive injury. I am simply saying, since I have been reading a lot about the efficacy of these different arts, that one should not solely rely on physical tactics. Oh yeah btw, BJJ specialists have been beat left and right. They are excellent at groundwork, but there IS always someone out there who can beat someone else. Even the best of the best will have their off-days, and then there is someone who they could once beat, that now beats them. To sit here and say that one form is the best, or better than others is just mental masturbation. The true efficacy of any form is completely reliant on the practitioner, and since no two people are alike, no true comparison can be made.
 
  • #46
there is no real elite of people who are genetically superior in that than anyone else.
Wrong. Example: Samoans. Samoan men used to settle arguments by clubbing each other in the head/face with large wooden clubs. Obviously, this killed the ones with weaker/less dense bone structure. Natty selection did its job, and thats why Samoan men have large dense jaw/skull bones.

Look up hard body breakers....something like that. These two brothers have conditioned their bones to be insanely dense by repeatedly traumatizing them, and can break through feet of concrete with a single blow.


Heres a vid of quantum JJ....crazy stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXqzdlbSXhI
 
  • #47
I wish Bugweed was here now. I'm sure he'd be having a good chuckle at all the folks going "bloody 'em up some and show them what's what!"

Bug's got a great story about how his Aikido saved his life when he was confronted by several armed assailants. Did he kill one of them? Naw. Did he break on of their bones? Naw. Did he shoot anyone? Heck, was anyone seriously injured? Nope.

Did this punks learn a good lesson? Sure did.

But I suppose that some folks will prefer to rely on the "might makes right" side of the spectrum and that's just the way it is...
 
  • #48
I wish Bugweed was here now. I'm sure he'd be having a good chuckle at all the folks going "bloody 'em up some and show them what's what!"

Bug's got a great story about how his Aikido saved his life when he was confronted by several armed assailants. Did he kill one of them? Naw. Did he break on of their bones? Naw. Did he shoot anyone? Heck, was anyone seriously injured? Nope.

Did this punks learn a good lesson? Sure did.

But I suppose that some folks will prefer to rely on the "might makes right" side of the spectrum and that's just the way it is...

Akido is a fairly good martial arts form, and is based on using your opponents energy and momentum against them. I in fact practiced it (along with Jiu Jitsu and Hapkido) for 3 years before moving. I imagine the "Did he shoot anyone" comment was aimed at me, but I am not advocating that. I strongly believe it is important to know how to handle yourself physically in many situations. In fact I said "simply pulling out a gun will end an attack", and therefore he wouldn't even had to have thrown the punks around (a common tactic in akido as it involves many throws). Anywho, I just wanted to clear that up in case that part of your comment was geared towards me. Don't get me wrong though, if someone tries to hurt me or innocent people, they do have a chance of getting their face blown off.

A side note: A major reason why I believe physical defense (martial arts) is a good supplement to personal protection, is because many attacks are initiated at a short range and a safe and reliable draw of a firearm may not always be feasible. One however, should not solely rely on martial arts as protection, just as one should not solely rely on the police for protection. The phrase "an analog player in a digital world" comes to mind.
 
  • #49
Ok, I can't finish reading all the posts - but here it is.

It is unwise to say one style if better than another as a broad statement. In certain, very constrained situations, it may be true, but generally not.

one FIGHTER is simply better than another. Regardless of style. Someone brought up Gracie. I don't think it was his BJJ that made him a sick fighter....It was his natural SKILL at implementing its teachings. Plus he had the attitude and the heart of a champion.

If I am more skilled in my art that you are in yours, and the other factors are equal, chances are I will win. However, unless my skill GREATLY exceeds your, if you are more motivated than I, chances are YOU will win.

Lastly, even in the MMA, there are rules. So many teachings of these old-school arts can't be used. That does limmit their effectiveness in the ring, so it's hard to judge them in that context. You would need a true no-rules competition for that....which will just get people killed.

I've been studying American Kenpo Karate for 17 years and I'm a second degree blackbelt (yes, only 2nd - after 17 years - and no, I'm not a slow learner). I also have a blackbelt in a hybrid style with Kickboxing, plus a limmited background in kali and shotokan (very limmited on that last one).

I don't care how big you are, or what you know....if you think that my style in inferior to yours because of what you've seen on TV, you won't last a second.

I don't fight in competitions because they have rules. I don't like rules. I like to bite, poke eyes, kick sacks, colapse wind-pipes, and other not-so-friendly things when I have to fight....Whcih thankfully hasn't ever happened.

But the point is that half of what I can do would be inadmissable, even in the MMA environment. This is good - I wouldn't want to enter a sanctioned fight (i.e. the guys really isn't trying to kill me) and blind him in one eye. I might feel a twinge of guilt.

So, someone earlier said that different styles suit diiferent people. This is exactly true - not just because of size differentials, but also different body structures. Find your style, stick to it, LEARN it, learn how to implement it, THEN go find another one....and figure out how to incorporate it....but you should do that for at least 10 years.
 
  • #50
That’s fascinating stuff, phissionkorps. And I think it’s a safe bet to say that people who really excel in their particular sports at the elite level have a specific body plan that gives them a greater competitive advantage than an average person too. Be it a particular lift in weightlifting, or big feet for swimming… etc.
 
  • #51
You want to defend yourself? I got a HK USP .45 that I can rely on... it can take out multiple armed attackers. No level of Brazilian, regular, mythical, or fairy jiu jitsu will do that.

Thats not true mate. I know a Sifu who is personally taught by Rocye Gracie. He has never had to actually fight, but in a class he taught, he told us he had to fight (with protection) several other people who had a higher belt and slightly more skill at once. Jujutstu (another spelling) was designed to kill at hand to hand combat. Thats why the SEALs know it, and all otehr branches. Because it is designed to KILL. With NO WEAPON. So please dont say that Jujutstu doesnt allow a student to take on multiple attackers. Like i said before, its the knowledge that is your aresenal.

Go to oddysseymartialarts.com I love this Sifu! He teaches the military for free and has a level 4 to teach them which is the higest you can get. The Army LOVES him because of his teachings. He teaches real street self defense, MAC (modern army combatives)and other things as well and uses traditional philosophy. He and his students were also honored by another Sifu to learn Wing Chun (Tsun). His name (the guy im talking about) is John Simons III.
 
  • #52
I agree with Adam. Green Berets/Rangers use it too. JJ was hardened in the streets of the ghettos of Brazil for protection against multiple attackers, and the ability to kill (if necessary) is built in. It all depends on you using it responsibly though. You could always choke the person out then run...
 
  • #53
Well, a gun still trumps a martial arts master, no matter what the movies say.

The armed forces also carry those, you know. If you have a gun, and I'm more than my arm's reach away, I'm toast.

However, being proficient in martial arts is a good alternative to those who don't want to own a gun (for whatever reason).
 
  • #54
I'm a fan of guns. If someone broke into my house, I'm using a gun, not BJJ. But, there are times when guns are NOT practical. Like if you're around a huge crowd. Try using the "self defense" excuse when you've killed a bystander ;)
 
  • #55
So please dont say that Jujutstu doesnt allow a student to take on multiple attackers. Like i said before, its the knowledge that is your aresenal.

Actually I never said that it couldn't take on multiple attackers. I said it couldn't take on multiple ARMED attackers. As in not everyone intending to hurt you is going to only use their bodies (or knifes and bats for that matter). The bad guys have guns too you know... Ask any of those SEALS which weapon (firearm/body) they would use in a situation with multiple attackers. Probably an HK MP5 or a G36. BTW I already said I believe familiarizing yourself with martial arts is a great supplement to any self-defense program. I'm simply saying that when it comes to dealing with real world situations, you will most likely be overrun. Ask that Sifu how he fares when he comes across a real world situation. Just like Schloaty says, it's not like the movies. People don't take turns attacking you so you can fend them off one by one. The smartest way to attack someone with other people is to surround the person and attack at different angles. We only have two arms to fight them off.
 
  • #56
I took akido for about a month and then lost interest...I guess it wasn't fast pased enough for me...when I was in fourth grade I took a kickboxing class, but my dad had to pull me out because I was too hyper back then...I'm a little interested in maybe taking kickboxing agian, or krav maga right now, but I'm afraid I'll lose ineterest...
 
  • #58
I guarantee theyd say which ever is stealthier. Guns makessome noise, even with a silencer. A knife plunging into a throat is a lot quiter...sounds more painful too...
Just so you know i believe in the RTBA too (which is why im in the Army...partly)
 
  • #59
Krav maga is a verygood art to learn defense from...a no nonsense kinda art...very serious stuff...
 
  • #60
What about a leg's reach?

Guns can only be kicked out of someone's had if a) they're just not paying attention (not likely) or b) you're on the set of a movie.

Even with your hands, trying to disarm a gun-weilding assailant is stupid. You only do it when you KNOW they're going to shoot you anyway.

Best defense against a gun is handing the guy your wallet. Even if you're Bruce Lee.
 
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