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    California fires.

    California!
    Five people dead! Thousands of homes destroyed and damaged! Billions of dollars in damages! Over a half a million people evacuated! Hundreds of thousands of acres burned!
    Would somebody please send me a list of foreign countries that have offered help…so I can send a personal thank you note?

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    trust me, i live ~20 miles away from the nearest fire, and the air is barely breathable and it's literally RAINING ash. Oh, and the sky is orange...i hope everyone else who is closer is ok...

    Would somebody please send me a list of foreign countries that have offered help…so I can send a personal thank you note?
    AWSOME quote! i'll try and remember it for the next time we help someone and get critized for it!
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    Before the wolves come out to tear me apart on this comment, I don't exactly suscribe to this theory but...........

    I heard on the radio the other day that one of the reasons that the fires are so bad is that the California Department of Forestry has been slacking off on the controlled burns that they are suposed to regularly set to control the dead brush that accumulates in time. So these fires have more fuel than normal, hence the reason they are so bad. Just a thought. But this doesn't change the fact of how bad these fires are and the incredible amount of loss they are creating.

    Would somebody please send me a list of foreign countries that have offered help…so I can send a personal thank you note?
    How true...
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    The Feds have yet to offer any assistance.

    FYI Hugo Chavez has offered aid to every US disaster for the past 6 years. Last winter he offered free/low cost heating oil to those who needed it. After Hurricane Katrina he offered assistance in the form of food, water, and generators with free/low cost fuel. No doubt that went over well with the no-bid contractors like Haliburton that charge the Feds (i.e. the taxpayers - you) $10 a gallon of gasoline.

    Is it any wonder you don't hear of such offers in the news?

    Back in the Reagan years a town in the midwest lost their bridge into town. No money from the state. They asked Reagan but nothing. They then asked the USSR which promised to rebuild the bridge. The Feds came up with money pronto after that.

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    The U.S. also refused Russia's offer to send oil sweeps when the wreck of the Exxon Valdez oil tanker occurred. It wasn't until a week later when there was public hue and cry over the burgeoning oil slick killing animals, fish and slicking the coastline that Exxon started to do something about clean-up. Those oil sweeps would have helped a lot.

    I also heard that the fact that there has been a drought was actually a good thing as far as the fire goes because plant growth was less than normal from lack of water. Maybe they didn't do the controlled burns because of the drought?? There is only so much controlling you can do. I don't know if I'd want even professionals deliberately setting fire in a severe drought area.

    I think the main reason the fires are so bad is very dry fuel, very low humidity and WIND.

    Jan...I know where you are coming from with your comment but I think as far as fighting the fire (immediate need now), people who live far away aren't much help. (Time it takes to travel there). However, there WILL be a need for financial help and "after care" for a long time and that's where foreign countries could offer assistance.

    By the way...today we are getting the first rain we've had in months. Its been so dry for so long, a lot of people including myself, made comments about how strange the rain looked... Its almost the end of October and last nite I was sweating taking out the trash...76 degrees at 9 p.m. It should be started to get pretty chilly outside. I have yet to shut my windows for the winter and the orchids are still outside. Everything is just hot and dry. I hope the rain continues for a few days but this will help a lot.
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    I currently live in San Diego, and it has been crazy lately... My parents live about 3 miles away from the most damaged area, and they were evacuated (Their neighborhood made international news). Luckily they were able to return today. The national guard is currently in their area patrolling around with machine guns to protect from looters. We actually have been getting federal assistance fairly recently, and most importantly, the military has been able to participate in the firefight. This is great news because the military is the shiznit =). They can work during the nighttime hours and they work independently without the necessity of a Cal Fire Spotter (A crippling stipulation that seriously hinders efficacy). A few days ago the Governator declared a state of emergency, and shortly after, President Bush declared a federal emergency. FEMA stepped in with the national guard and has also provided airliner-sized jets to drop massive amounts of fire retardant that cover up to a quarter of a mile. We have had firefighters come in from all over the place, and the San Diego community has been extraordinarily helpful to the evacuees, by providing so many necessary things to evacuation centers (food from restaurants, water, tents, beds, clothing, pet/farm animal care, even massages and yoga!). With one-sixth, or half a million people having been evacuated, this is incredible news, because the community is seriously helping each other out to the fullest.

    On another note, yes we do have a seriously flawed government. In fact I don't even have the time or energy to go into it, but the level and frequency of shortcomings is staggering. During Katrina, Cuba offered to send over some 300 Doctors to provide medical help to the refugees. This is coming from a third world country, with one of the best national health care systems in the world (one of the lowest infant mortality rates too). Of course, Bush denied all outside help (including from the Netherlands and other areas) and Katrina victims paid the price of a proud and autocratic government. Incidentally, Blackwater got contracts to patrol the area, and they got paid handsomely. They were in fact paid by taxpayers, with funds siphoned off by our monkey-like leader to put money into his buddies' pockets.

    Anywho... on a lighter note, people in San Diego really are awesome. Everyone has been helping out each other, donating some serious amounts of items and necessities. The amount of items donated at the Football Stadium (Qualcomm Stadium) outnumber the amount of people that need things. It really is wonderful to see these affluent people giving as much as they have. I watched one CEO of a construction company provide multiple multi-Kilowatt generators and propane tanks to his neighborhood (my parents' neighborhood) and he was even taking a tractor to the streets to clear out fallen trees and obstructions. Some people in the more rural areas have stayed back and fought back smaller fires, preventing them from becoming huge fires. They have also posted up signs saying "Looters will be Shot!". I think this is freakin' awesome. They have formed patrol crews to protect their neighbors' properties and farms from looters, and have prevented a great deal of theft. Theres even a few people out there on ATV's and Dirt bikes patrolling the harder to reach areas. Seeing things like this gives me hope for the future of humanity.

    Oh yea... I wanted to mention something abou tthe Exxon spill. Apparently shortly after the spill, a microorganism was genetically engineered that was capable of consuming the raw oil and eliminating the threat. The microorganism could actually be deployed in large areas to quickly neutralize the threat of oil spills. Well, guess what happened? The developing company placed a patent on the genetic sequence of the organism, thereby creating an unsettling precedence in ethics and legal course. The process was fought and in the end it was decided that it was legal to place ownership over the sequencing of genetics. After that, companies began buying up the rights to genetic sequences of all kinds of diseases and organisms. One day you won't be able to cure certain illnesses without paying a corporation for their patent. Un-freakin-believable. I forget which documentary I learned about this from, but it was just another one of those unsettling facts that the media does not cover with as much attention as it deserves. The problem with the abused public, is that many do not even realize they are being violated =(.
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    These fires have been horrible! I live about 40 miles from the nearest fire and even here the smoke is horrible! My allergies have been killing me, the ocean water is polluted and smells like smoke, and Ive had to move all my plants inside to protect them from falling ash, humidity levels in the negatives and record wind speeds.

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    Oh yea... I wanted to mention something abou tthe Exxon spill. Apparently shortly after the spill, a microorganism was genetically engineered that was capable of consuming the raw oil and eliminating the threat. The microorganism could actually be deployed in large areas to quickly neutralize the threat of oil spills. Well, guess what happened?
    Never heard about that, but if true it would be years of testing for anyone to responsibly release such a thing into the environment. Rushing things like that are not good, things need to be absolutely certain before you can say you have tested it thoroughly. There is no way that that could have been available for release and use right after discovery. After the testing comes research on how to propagate in sufficient numbers to be of use. All that takes a lot of time. It could not have helped the Exxon spill even if it worked to prefection in preliminary tests. Plus... company rights would not prevent its use... garden plants are patented all the time...

    Many sections of the news were emphasizing the problems of eucalyptus groves in the fast spread of the fire in some suburban areas. Why do trees with such an explosive flammability continue to be planted by the public?
    that makes no logic

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