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    Non-Compliance

    being a single mom is hard i know. It doesnt help when you have a "rebelious" teen whos anti government, It also doesnt help when youre mom was in the military for 20 years.

    I support my mom in her choice, and am completely aware of where she is coming from and why she would be against some of the things i do and support


    Thats a little back ground.

    Today at school the principal called me to the office, not to worried about any thing i went down relaxed in a good mood, Maybe it was a congratulations on the effort i had put in at school, making the B honor roll for the first time in ooh 6 years. Knowing this was not the case i kept my hopes up i haven't done any thing wrong. Ive served my detentions and Saturday schools. Nothing to worrie about, almost the end of the day, about to go to a friends house and get some salvia to extract (we recently got 2 kilos :sly: )

    Well I got to the office and he called me in. Tony a kid in my home room, was in their too, imedietly got a wave of dread. thrown over me like a cold sweat soaked football towel. This was about the Pledge. The past 3 years living in a rural school hasn't been easy to say the least, and the start of my senior year also hasn't been so smooth, the new super intendant has been rough. Getting away with In school suspension has cause huge over crowding of Saturday school. I sat down and he started off with a calm cool voice that of a principal who has seen quite a bit at his school. "So do you guys know why you are down here?" In responce, i willingly and gladly spoke up

    "Yes we haven't been standing for the pledge let alone saying it, it probably upsets you" I looked him right in the eyes and gave him a cute smile.

    Looking back from me to my friend Tony, he asked why "No reason really" tony said blankly. Which was the truth, tony really was kind of lazy though he didnt show it jet dark hair, pale skin you got the impression that he kinda sat around allot inside playing video games.

    "Well their are things that the government have done that I dont agree with. I feel the government reflects its country, and so do the blind ignorant people who refuse to make an effort for change" Saying with confidence, I had my reasons what was it to him?

    Was it the new "tradition" of the veterans coming in on friday, while the choir and band (both of which I'm in) come in to speak and we give them thanks for serving our country. Or was it just that he was sincerely concerned why i wasn't standing for the pledge? He talked to us a little more, trying to figure out, after about 5 min's tony left. As the door creaked closed, I felt a rush, this is what its all about telling people informing the uninformed, this was when I felt most patriotic. I am a Patriot, just because i don't agree with every thing the government does doesn't mean I'm not a Patriot.

    "Patriotism is keeping true to the values that your country was founded on. If this means protecting your country from the government then thats what needs to be done. A patriot must be willing to speak out against its government and do what must be done to preserve the values that their country stands for. The most dangerous thing you can have in a democracy is blind patriotism (ie everyone loves Americans no matter what we do)." - A quote from a friend

    We talked, for 10-15 mins, in deep conversation of why I should stand. It came down to, I have a right not to stand for the pledge, let alone recite it. Looking at him a bit frazzled, filled with addrenaline, i said "Their is no reason for you to make me stand up, its my right my belief in not standing, I have my reasons, and they are my own. No one can suppress my expression."

    Obviously no one can, coming from the kid sitting in the principals office, studded jacket, tight black jeans 20 eye Boots. With a Mohawk spiked up.

    "Well ill tell you what you can choose not to stand, but im going to ask you to come to the office after your home room teacher takes attendance if you arent going to stand" He said almost to defensively, kind of like shoving a corn cob where it shouldn't go. It pissed me off. I asked why he said I had to come to the office theirs no reason why.

    "You have to understand, im the principal, i make the rules you have to do what I tell you, and I feel it is MY right, to get rid of disruptions in class," As if sitting quitely while the morning anouncements come over the intercom, with his cool breezy voice bellowing out through out the whole school, maybe working on some homework or just reading a book was disturbing the "class", "And i feel that what you are doing is disruption and its my duty as principal of this school to bring you to the office during home room cause i see it fit.

    The vice principal quietly nods, agreeing, sitting quietly, like a spectator at a great debate between two political candidates, the one with the most money/support is always going to have the power. It made me mad, he was just watching me, defending what little freedom at this school i had being stripped away even more.

    "I support peoples little clubs/cliches and the believes people have, but this isn't like we are saying prayer, thats handled by the state to be not apart of our public school system"

    Now, i was given my choices i fully understood and comprehended them, i asked "What would happen if i chose not to stand and not to come down to the office"

    "we will deiced that when it happens" He said.

    I go back to my class. Obviously upset with what just happened. :flame:

    I was patiently waiting to get out of school see what happened tomorrow, almost anxious as if it was Christmas. 6th period ends, 7th period band, most of my punk buddies are in band, they think its funny, cause I'm the one that always gets in trouble for things like this. :brickwall:

    Well, towards the end of band I get called down to the office, as I leave, I say loudly enough that my band teacher gives me a dirty look "hurray, more rights being stripped from the Americans, and in our schools no less!"

    On the way down I quitely think that was fast he found out what he needed to in 30 mins? We had made a deal he would find outif he had the right to make me come to the office.

    Obviously he hadent, he just wanted to get our problem over with. We talk, he says that I have no choice He is the principal i do what he says. Dictators are so pompous. "Why it makes no since this isnt right to me, where is the rule saying I have to come to the office if i dont stand. What happens If i dont come Insubordination, non-compliance?"

    Non-compliance gets you expelled at our rural farm school apparently, for something as innocent as practicing my rights.

    So he calls my mom I go back to band, knowing this wont be a fun day. As soon as I go out to the hallway waiting for the Driver Bell to ring, my mom calls, upset. Here it comes the flood of tears, trying to break me down feel guilty. Not the first time shes used this tactic.

    We talk, as she crys when i get home, about her service, how ive screwed up allot recently (mostly once i dropped my dead beat, self righteous, lieing, manipulative christain ex gf last year) We talked, about how 9/11 happend, why. Why i disliked the government.

    She said it was a slap in the face, and is persistent on making me stand. What the heck should I do? I don't agree, but i do support the USA just not the way the Government is running things. With the way we are being told what to do.

    I don't know what to do cause all she has been doing is crying and theirs nothing I can do cause she doesn't even want to look at me. It's awkward being round her in my house now cause she just looks at me with disappointment and almost hate.



    (Sorry I copied what i wrote from another forum that doesn't mind swearing"
    Last edited by xvart; 11-08-2007 at 08:06 AM. Reason: word filter, obviously

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    Contact the ACLU, right this damn instant. He can not discriminate against you. Sitting quietly in your seat is NOT a disruption. No one will riot in the classrooms if you don't. They'll stand, say the pledge, sit, and that's that.


    I didn't say the pledge. I had a teacher get in my face about it (real fundamentalist. I went to NA with her son and even he hates her guts) and, in front of everyone, asked me (angrily) why I didn't do it, why I didn't feel like it, and then informed me that I still had to stand even if I didn't want to say the pledge. I stood up, informed her that it is my legal right not to stand or say anything, and she can call the principal if she wants. She did and he informed her I didn't have to do squat. Naturally I never got an apology from her.

    I also wonder if they're discriminating against you by the way you look.

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    Since your such a ""rebelious" teen whos anti government" and "i do support the USA just not the way the Government is running things". Why in the world would you continue to be bought and sold in the government educational factories?

    You complain about the system, but you still wake up every day and go to school.
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    I printed off some papers, from the ACLU and am going to talk to my principal about not standing for the pledge. It's against the 1st amendment and their have been court cases that say its unconstitutional for me to be threatened by punishment for not standing and saying the pledge.

    Burningbeard, Cause its the only way I will be able to live, support my self and make enough money to move, though I will more than likely be unhappy with any country's government I move too. So why not try and make a Change in the Country I LIVE IN NOW. If i didnt wake up every day and go to school, i wouldnt be able to support my self let alone get any where with my life.

    Just because i appose the government doesn't mean I'm Patriotic, blind Patriotism will kill democracy.

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    PUBLIC SCHOOL....first of all....bunch of morons that are in it and principals are THE biggest scumbags of all. I got along with my superintendent better than ANYONE in my school. Shoot....i even had a beer with him!

    Anyways, I'd tell your principal to go stuff it, if it was me. I got in trouble in high school so many times for exposing the truth and telling it like it was. My mom was so mad at my principal, one day she reached across his desk and grabbed him by the shirt collar! Oh what a great day THAT was. Cherished memories!

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    Are you being confrontational about it?

    Ugh brings back my own memories of highshool when I wouldn’t stand for the pledge and had augments with my teachers about it. I was… kind just like you, anti government and whatnot. Sometimes I did and sometimes I didn’t… they just kind of gave up. I didnt help the matter by being crass about it.
    Remember: standing does not mean you have to do anything else. Scratch your bum or whatever if you feel like it I don’t care.

    Whatever. Just remember that you don’t have any of the silly fluffy stuff when you go to college. Even in the sports games no one is going to make you stand for the anthem. Just survive it and remember you wont have to do it again…
    that makes no logic

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    I completely disagree! Don't stand if you don't want to. Don't just survive and remember it's OK when you go to college! Don't conform! Do you want to tell your children you gave in, or do you want to tell them you stood up for your rights? The rights men and women died for. You're the true patriot here!

    The only reason I never said the pledge was because God is in it. I believe in God now but I still won't say the pledge. If your beef is about God being in the pledge, but you don't have a problem with the rest of it, just don't say the word God. If you're beef is with saying the pledge period, don't say it! There's no question that sucking it up and saying the pledge would be the easy thing to do, but do you want to take the easy way out and sacrifice your values? It's up to you.

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    Tough issue to deal with! Our Constitution does allow for dissent and protest, in non-violent ways. We have the right to petition and we have the right to speak up about it. You have the right to challenge this, as long as you follow appropriate channels.

    You and I both know and operate under a higher authority and no one can regulate what goes on in our minds (like prayer).

    Philosphical question: Is a flag akin in concept to bowing dpwn to an idol? Or is it really no big deal at all? Would compliance be a vilation of your right to relifious freedom of expression or can it be done in appeasement and not have any real repercussions?

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