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    I'm with you their Once I'm done with college, if their isn't a good person in office, I'm out of here.

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    My wife and I are both conservative Christians..
    so you would think Huckabee is our guy right?
    not even close..I cant stand Huckabee..the "Mormon issue" has soured me on him..
    anyone who uses religion as a weapon to gain power has no respect from me..

    We have watched all the debates so far..
    our favorite guy, by FAR, is Joe Biden.
    He seems like the only canidate who actually knows anything and could actually make a decent president.

    but unfortunately he wont have a chance..
    because its not expeience that counts, its money and connections.
    the best man for the job will NOT be our next president.

    My fear is the race will come down to Huckabee and Hillary,
    if that happens, Hillary might actually win, which would be a disaster..

    I dont think Huckabee could win..
    he has screwed his chances by inserting religion into the race..a very bad move..people wont stand for that. (except for a religious kook minority..but they wont be enough.)

    so if it comes down to Huck Vs. Hillary, either choice is a menace to society..

    I think no matter who becomes the next president, we are screwed..
    IMO we only have one good option, (Biden) and he doesnt stand a chance.

    I like Biden first,
    Rudy second.

    Scot

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    man i accelerating nothing as far as global warming. if we were we would be causing the greenhouse effect....its actually fairly easy to test for but was only done recently. in order for the greenhouse effect to be going on the air needs to be warming up faster than the earth, and the hot air warms up the ground. that is how the greenhouse effect and things like methane and Co2 and such cause the earth to warm up BUT the air IS NOT warming up faster than the earth its warming up at the exact same rate. there for it has to be the sun that is warming up the earth.....NOT MAN!

    as far as guns killing ppl. they dont. the availability of guns has jack chit to do with murder rates. that has been proven time and time again. psychotic SOB's kill ppl. i live 20 miles from the town with the highest murder rate per capita some years, in a state that has some of the least amount of gun laws, in a part of the state where 70% plus households have firearms..............do you have any clue how rare it is for someone to get shot(taking hunting accidents out of the picture)? hell i can only think of one in the last 5 years and i work for the newspaper and its my business to know. knives are the perfered weapon for killing ppl, followed by beating someone to death, than prolly vehicles......hell burning down the damn house someone is in to kill them is ahead of ppl shooting ppl to kill them.......
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    To me, saying a gun kills is like saying a pencil can write an essay or knife will cut your steak without you touching it. I support people owning guns. We all have our hobbies. My dad has an elephant gun. He has no intention of ever shooting an elephant, he just thinks it's cool. People like to collect things. I do support gun control. Background checks and the like.

    Making guns illegal will not stop people from getting them. It will stop good people from enjoying their hobbies. Look at the war on drugs. In a lot of instances, little old ladies can't get their pot for their glaucoma, but we have lots of crack heads running around. Why is this, you may ask? Criminals don't care about the law in the first place, and it's as simple as that.

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    Knives have other uses besides killing people. They're something we could not easily live without. M-16s are made to kill people. I highly doubt anyone is cutting their T-bone with an MP5.

    Notice that I have never said "no guns". Just that the second amendment should be revised. The fact that people can obtain guns illegally has nothing to do with the matter. People can pick up prostitutes or buy drugs illegally. We're not offering those in stores.

    Gun control is a step in the right direction. Even though bad people will continue to get weapons, we at least make it harder for them.

    If a gun collector really wants guns, perhaps he could get a license to have automatic weapons and no ammunition. If they never intend to use it, then that should be alright, shouldn't it? Or perhaps they would only be able to get ammunition at gun ranges, and they'd have to spend all of it there. Id be absolutely fine with that. But NOBODY needs a fully loaded automatic weapon in their closet.

    As for global warming. I'm going to go with the thousands of scientists from 130 different countries on this one.

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    on the global warming.....check the recent study.....none of the 130 scientists you speak of looked at the difference between the air temp and the land temp....they have only looked at the fact that land temps have been rising, coincidentally along with the rise of the industrial age and that is ALL they have looked at. they claim its a greenhouse effect without actually looking for a greenhouse efect.

    on the guns SUCH F"ING LAWS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE YOU MORON! YOUR TRYING TO ARGUE FOR LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS................if your going to argue gun control with me please come to the arguement with facts and not bullchit
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    If a gun collector really wants guns, perhaps he could get a license to have automatic weapons and no ammunition. If they never intend to use it, then that should be alright, shouldn't it? Or perhaps they would only be able to get ammunition at gun ranges, and they'd have to spend all of it there. Id be absolutely fine with that. But NOBODY needs a fully loaded automatic weapon in their closet.
    let me break this arguement apart.....the nuber one thing you need to realize is that a full auto M16 shoots the same dang cartridge as my bolt action coyote rifle. a 5.56x45 NATO, also known as the 223 Remington....are they EXACTLY the same? no but in 99% of guns they are interchangeable though i wouldnt use a 5.56x45NATO in a tight chambered 223 target rifle....that might not be good though i doubt you could blow up the target rifle with such a small round. the fully auto tommy gun uses the same round as the Colt 1911, a semiauto pistol that normally holds 7 rounds, hell some revolvers and rifles are chambered in the round. the UZI or MP5 or MAC 10 all use the same round that is so popular with current police guns, and personal hand guns(both semi autos and more rarely though easily found revolvers)

    you do not know enough about firearms to debate this subject with me. if you wish to learn about firearms i would be happy to provide you with all the info you want about alot of guns, from black powder to the Hellfire. but dont try to argue guns and gun control with me cause you dont even seem to have a basic knowlege of current gun laws, let alone the guns you suggest be outlawed.
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    Settle down, Rattler! There are good arguments for and against the right to bear arms, made by intelligent people. It's just a matter of which way you want to go - there are successes on both sides of this question. I happen to agree with you, though. There are enough scenarios where I'd like to have a gun that I support this right - which IS a right until the Constitution is amended to the contrary. You can't pick and choose which of the Bill of Rights are in effect, much as Bush and his cohorts want to abolish all of them except the 2nd. In any case, there are liberals and conservatives who are on both sides of this issue. I'm a staunch liberal who is also a gun owner.

    On the Hillary issue - she is as far from being Socialist as Nixon was. That label is grossly misapplied to Hillary Clinton, who is at best a centrist moderate Corporatist. Like all industrialized nations, we have a mix of capitalism and "socialism", in the sense that we have public schools (a very, very necessary thing), public roads, fire departments, social security, and so on, as well as capitalism. But unfortunately, we are losing the capitalist side NOT to the socialists (there aren't any), but to the corporatists. These cretinous new zombies are all about consolidation, mergers, monopolies, and corporate control of everything. Giant monopolistic corporations are NOT capitalism! The American dream is opening your own business, and succeeding on the basis of your merits. It is NOT working middle management at WalMart because it's the only employer in town. But that's what our country is becoming. We don't have candidates who are pushing for helping small businesses and killing the monopolies because we have a system wherein those monopolies determine, in great part, who we vote for and who gets elected. Corporate money has ruined our political system, and people like Hillary, Rudy, Mitt, are products of that system. Hillary Clinton is no socialist, she's the farthest thing from it. Listen to her speeches - is she proposing massive investment in our social structure? Nope. She's a Patriot Act voter and a pro-war voter (despite the duplicitous rhetoric).

    Around the world, we are notable for our neurotic and self-destructive opposition to anything that could be called "socialist" - probably a relic of our anti-Communist period of the 50s. But the rest of the world has moved on and has things that are obviously good ideas like universal health care. We spend more on health care by a long shot that any other nation on earth, yet don't have the best care. Why? Because we are enriching to the tune of billions of dollars an inherently dishonest and wasteful "insurance" industry that stands between us and health care. Why? Because the corporatists have convinced people that doing the obviously smart thing is "socialist". So they get their billions, we have 40 million Americans without insurance, and our health care system pretty much sucks. Great.

    What we need to do in this country is stop legislating morality (bans on gays having normal lives, etc.), stop letting corporations get away with crimes (wiretapping immunity, monopolization, etc.), get corporate money OUT of our elections for good, and start investing in small businesses, innovation, and policies designed to strengthen and build our middle class. The present system is looting our treasury and selling out the future to help the top 1% of Americans, whose INCREASE in wealth in the last few years is greater than the TOTAL income of the bottom 20% of Americans. The ultra-rich don't need tax breaks and sacrifice from the rest of us. Really. They don't.

    But you won't hear much of this from ANY candidate. Because their corporate benefactors won't let them even if they wanted to. We need to take our country back for the hard-working, innovative, entreprenurial, middle class of America, and stop the Corporatist neo-fascists from taking our prosperity and selling it out to the highest bidders.

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