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    However on top of those changes I think there should be some form of basic, minimum, government provided health care for every U.S. citizen.

    Just for an example:

    2 Free visits to a physician or pediatrician, a month.
    2 Free visits to the dentist for teeth cleaning, a year.
    2 Free E.R. visits, a year.
    1 Free visit to the eye doctor for eye examination, a year.
    1 Free prescription, a month.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    That will never work. Ever. Do you know any doctors in the US? I mean really know them (not just BSing in their clinic when you see them)? I grew up around them, and there are quite a few I know really well. That plan you just proposed is the MOST absurd and unnecessary plan possible. Free ER visits for a year? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ER visits cost about $10,000. If someone goes 3 times a year for whatever reasons, thats at least $30k. I'm sure as hell not paying for that. The reason I mentioned really knowing doctors earlier, is because if you did, you'd know that they'd all quit if socialized medicine became the law. Signing socialized medicine into law would be like signing the death sentence of a whole lot of people. The majority of doctors really, honestly, would quit, and sick people (at least while things got sorted out), wouldn't receive any help, and a lot of them would die. Sad, but thats the way it is. Socialized medicine will never happen in this country. Why would you want it to anyway? Countries with socialized medicine have awful healthcare compared to the US because the doctors don't care at all. There's no incentive to do your best when you're only getting paid $10 for something that costs $3000, or if you're not getting paid at all. (Plus, doctors and pharm companies have way too many and way too powerful lobbyists on the hill...that joke known as socialized medicine isn't ever going to happen)
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    However on top of those changes I think there should be some form of basic, minimum, government provided health care for every U.S. citizen.

    Just for an example:

    2 Free visits to a physician or pediatrician, a month.
    2 Free visits to the dentist for teeth cleaning, a year.
    2 Free E.R. visits, a year.
    1 Free visit to the eye doctor for eye examination, a year.
    1 Free prescription, a month.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    That will never work. Ever. Do you know any doctors in the US? I mean really know them (not just BSing in their clinic when you see them)? I grew up around them, and there are quite a few I know really well. That plan you just proposed is the MOST absurd and unnecessary plan possible. Free ER visits for a year? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ER visits cost about $10,000. If someone goes 2 times a year for whatever reasons, thats at least $20k. I'm sure as hell not paying for that. The reason I mentioned really knowing doctors earlier, is because if you did, you'd know that they'd all quit if socialized medicine became the law. Signing socialized medicine into law would be like signing the death sentence of a whole lot of people. The majority of doctors really, honestly, would quit, and sick people (at least while things got sorted out), wouldn't receive any help, and a lot of them would die. Sad, but thats the way it is. Socialized medicine will never happen in this country. Why would you want it to anyway? Countries with socialized medicine have awful healthcare compared to the US because the doctors don't care at all. There's no incentive to do your best when you're only getting paid $10 for something that costs $3000, or if you're not getting paid at all. (Plus, doctors and pharm companies have way too many and way too powerful lobbyists on the hill...that joke known as socialized medicine isn't ever going to happen)
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    Capslock..............i dont know that we are ever going to agree on this.....#1 i live below the poverty line according to the government and would benifit most from these programs you would think.........but as is i live comfortably. im paying for a house. am paying off student loans my wife has, have 2 kids in the house, pay for health insurance, make car payments and insurance. all this without having major credit card debt............according to the government i should be living in government housing barely making it.........yet im just fine. my wife and i take home $700(together) a week and can afford all this plus hobbies. why in the hell would i want socialized programs? i live on an indian reservation, travel to Canada..........ive seen socialized systems in action.......i cant afford socialized programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
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    That will never work. Ever. Do you know any doctors in the US? I mean really know them (not just BSing in their clinic when you see them)? I grew up around them, and there are quite a few I know really well. That plan you just proposed is the MOST absurd and unnecessary plan possible. Free ER visits for a year? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ER visits cost about $10,000. If someone goes 2 times a year for whatever reasons, thats at least $20k. I'm sure as hell not paying for that. The reason I mentioned really knowing doctors earlier, is because if you did, you'd know that they'd all quit if socialized medicine became the law. Signing socialized medicine into law would be like signing the death sentence of a whole lot of people. The majority of doctors really, honestly, would quit, and sick people (at least while things got sorted out), wouldn't receive any help, and a lot of them would die. Sad, but thats the way it is. Socialized medicine will never happen in this country. Why would you want it to anyway? Countries with socialized medicine have awful healthcare compared to the US because the doctors don't care at all. There's no incentive to do your best when you're only getting paid $10 for something that costs $3000, or if you're not getting paid at all. (Plus, doctors and pharm companies have way too many and way too powerful lobbyists on the hill...that joke known as socialized medicine isn't ever going to happen)
    I just listed those things as an example, it's not set in stone nor undebatable. Regardless I think there should be some kind of basic coverage, for every U.S. citizen. I don't think the government should pay for everything, but the very basic essentials that everyone needs, especially if they are the ~40 or so million of people who don't have any health insurance at all.
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    I don't think the government should pay for everything

    the government doesnt pay for jack chit...........YOU the tax payer does........YOU the tax payer, pays for every single thing the government does.............socialized health care will be payed for by YOU THE TAX PAYER
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    What makes you think that, PK? Have you been to any of these countries? They have a far more functional system than ours - and it's far easier on the doctors. In this country they're buried in paperwork, up to their necks in malpractice insurance (more damn insurance!), and we don't get good care unless you're rich.

    Fact is, that uninsured people COST us money, because they don't get preventative or primary health care and end up with costly emergency room visits and undiagnosed and treated illnesses. Our system is broken. We pay more, have more uninsured, and have pretty bad life expectancy and mortality rates. All we have to do is look at who's doing it well. Where it's working in the world. Why is that so threatening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    What makes you think that, PK? Have you been to any of these countries? They have a far more functional system than ours - and it's far easier on the doctors. In this country they're buried in paperwork, up to their necks in malpractice insurance (more damn insurance!), and we don't get good care unless you're rich.

    Fact is, that uninsured people COST us money, because they don't get preventative or primary health care and end up with costly emergency room visits and undiagnosed and treated illnesses. Our system is broken. We pay more, have more uninsured, and have pretty bad life expectancy and mortality rates. All we have to do is look at who's doing it well. Where it's working in the world. Why is that so threatening?

    Capslock
    do you want me to give yah the phone numbers of some Canadian docs who though after some years in the Canadian health care system said this isnt right for the patient and moved to the US and became US citizens?
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    BTW Caps whats so wrong with me wanting to bust my **** to pay for the things that they need be it food or health care and not pay for those that wont get off ther **** to help themselves and instead look for a government hand out. im happy to pay taxes to keep the roads in good shape, im happy to pay taxes to make sure i have clean drinking water.....im happy to pay taxes to support the school system IF those tax dollars are going to the local schools. ill happily pay taxes for alot of things but ill be damned if ill agree to pay taxes for a hand out and free health care for someone who doesnt think its worth getting off their **** to look for a job.............
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