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    off shoot of the Ron Paul thread.....USA the worlds police force.....

    since i dont want this to get buried in the gay marriage discussion i figured i would start a new thread.

    most everyone here seems to agree that the US constantly being the worlds police force is a bad thing. i do. however i dont think many here realize just what that means.

    #1. it means we are going to set back and watch certain countries tear themselves apart. we will sit back and watch mass genocide. its been happening for years in Africa and no one seems to care but when ever it happens in a "white" country we step in. what do you think is going to happen when we quit backing Israel? Israel, Syria, Iran and a few others will be out for blood and it will not stop till one is the decisive victor. weither you like Israel or not tens of thousands of ppl are going to die on both sides if we back off. its a turf war and Israel knows to give in means they no longer exist. they will not pull any punches, nuclear weapons will be used. im all for letting Israel have at the middle east. are you willing to sit back and let them? how about eastern Europe? India and Pakistan? Venezuala versus its neighbors? China for crying out loud going head to head with Japan. will all these happen? maybe maybe not but the Israel part is a sure thing and mass genocide will continue unnoticed in Africa.

    #2 it means being more self sufficient. if we are not going to step in and try and keep things calm we need to make our own electronics. dont think their is any electronics manufactured wholly in the US anymore. we need to be able to do this. this means cutting taxes for manufactures, make it attractive to come back. Look at what the upper midwest did to car manufacturers, it taxed them out of the area. taxes are so high that it forced the manufacturers to look elsewhere for labor and property for plants. few "US" cars are made in the US....infact some foreign cars are more "Made in the USA" than some of the domestics......why? cause the foreign companies set up shop in states that were much, much more tax friendly than the upper midwest. we need to lower taxes.............how to do that?

    #2a down size government.........many ways to do this. i say get rid of the DEA and ATF, neither serve a real purpose other than to supply each other with jobs. legalizing marijuana and other such drugs wll drop prision costs, get rid of billion dollar budgets ect ect ect. instead invest some money into education and rehabilitation centers for those that actually want to quit. legalizing such drugs should drop crime quite a bit cause it bottoms out the prices. are drugs good? no, but billions of dollars are thrown at the problem and anyone can walk a couple blocks and still get their poison of choice. declare the War on (some) Drugs a loss and give up.

    #2b. give up on programs such as welfare in its current form, socialized medicine, the indian reservations ect. they dont work for chit. by lower taxes you make more funds available to individuals, more funds means more money to charities....more charities means more help being done and it doesnt require tax payer dollars. not to mention private organizations are much more efficient at helping out than the government with all its red tape and beurocracy. you say 40 million americans dont have health insurance? drop the cost. put a cap on malpractice suit awards. money aint bringing your kid back. a doc high on drugs killed your kid on the OR table, money aint going to fix the problem, here your medical bills are covered, the doc who killed your son is in the back room, heres a bat, yah got 10 minutes.

    #3 while we will be able to down size the military some, we cant all the way, turn alot of the army and such stuff over to the state national guards. we will need to keep a large navy. we will need to make sure shipping lanes to other contries are kept open....i like my tropical fruit and chocolate. stay in international waters, protect international shipping lanes but thats it.

    #4 realize that chit costs money.......going to Walmart to save a few bucks is what got us dependent on Asia to start with....be willing to shell out more $ for american produced goods instead of cheap asian produced goods. if we dont care if China is ripped apart by cival war cause several companies in the US can provide us with a good quality big screen to watch the super bowl we will be well on the way to not having to play police force for the world.
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    I have to agree with some of your statements.

    1. The whole middle east thing in touchy, it can become religious. Lets stay away from that.

    2. We used to be the number one, the best industrial nation in the world, until we started rebuilding other economies, now we are slaves to the Chinese economy.

    Thats all I have for now. Great post.
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    whowe......which is why i have problems with Ron Pauls foriegn policy...........until we break the economic ties with Asia, we can not stop being the worlds police........
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    You cant break economic ties with asia because we are a globalized world. Wanting to break economic ties with asia, sound more like you want to set the clock back a half century. Well, we cant do that. America is the worlds largest economy, but China is #2 and Japan is #3 (India # 5), and if you think the words three largest economies will suddenly ceace trade relations then that is rather naive.
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch View Post
    You cant break economic ties with asia because we are a globalized world. Wanting to break economic ties with asia, sound more like you want to set the clock back a half century. Well, we cant do that. America is the worlds largest economy, but China is #2 and Japan is #3, and if you think the words three largest economies will suddenly ceace trade relations then that is rather naive.
    Agreed.

    The biggest problem this country needs to address is energy. Almost everything here depends on foreign oil. When we gain energy independence it wouldn't be a surprise to see a HUGE boom in manufacturing and industry. Until this happens our economy will continue to diminish IMO.
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    not break ties...............just not be wholly dependent on.......at the moment what happens if a major war breaks out with China as one of the countries even if they are not the aggressor? we are screwed. if we want to stop being the worlds police force we have to quit careing and running to help out add butt in on every lil thing. whats going to happen when China's population hits critical mass and the realize that they need more room? they are going to spread into Russia.........thats going to panic Japan. i dont want isolation ism, i just no longer police force. in order to do that we need to be less dependant on other nations. in order to do that we need to produce more of our own goods......dont need to produce all of them, just enough so when the crap hits the fan we have something to fall back on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Agreed.

    The biggest problem this country needs to address is energy. Almost everything here depends on foreign oil. When we gain energy independence it wouldn't be a surprise to see a HUGE boom in manufacturing and industry. Until this happens our economy will continue to diminish IMO.
    how do propose this? ethonal isnt viable produced by grain. only way to do it effectivly is sugar cane. the US does not have enough sugar cane to do this. contrary to popular belief the US has plenty of oil.....im sitting on top of an oil field bigger than the state of New Jersey thats largely untapped....why? because the refineries are at full capacity. our youngest refineries are 30 some years old. you want independence from foriegn oil? loosen EPA regulations so we can make more refineries. get away from coal fired power plant, allow the building of nuclear power plants. the use of heating oil is killing us aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    not break ties...............just not be wholly dependent on.......at the moment what happens if a major war breaks out with China as one of the countries even if they are not the aggressor? we are screwed. if we want to stop being the worlds police force we have to quit careing and running to help out add butt in on every lil thing. whats going to happen when China's population hits critical mass and the realize that they need more room? they are going to spread into Russia.........thats going to panic Japan. i dont want isolation ism, i just no longer police force. in order to do that we need to be less dependant on other nations. in order to do that we need to produce more of our own goods......dont need to produce all of them, just enough so when the crap hits the fan we have something to fall back on
    If you can find Americans who are willing to work in factories all day long for $3 a day, then we might be able to forget about China.
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