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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    actually you must be confused on your vehicles or your dates.........cant find anything in a Suburban above a 350 until the 70's
    It's really simple you see... thanks to natural selection and speciation the 350 evolved into the 454. It just wasn't classified as the 454 until the 70's.
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    Scotty and PK - please keep to the topic at hand. As Don Corleone said often enough: this is business, not personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zappafan View Post
    That's just not fair. Comparing those poor chimps to Bush.

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    There are so many alternative ways to obtain energy.

    Solar energy can be obtained in one place and transmitted to other locations via power lines or even advanced AC power transmission. On Edison's deathbed, he said one of his greatest regrets was pursuing DC instead of AC power (even though he ostracized Tesla for it).

    Energy from plant cellulose is a very viable alternative, however right now the returns on the energy are not very significant. We need better technology, but fat chance for that to happen with the monopolistic hold of oil companies and OPEC. We can obtain Ethanol in greater efficiency (much more per acre) with plants other than corn, yet corn is the only one receiving press coverage. A big problem with growing our fuel source however, is the amount of water being used to do so. We are decimating our natural balance by diverting vast amounts of water for inefficient agriculture.

    We can get energy from windmills, both inland and offshore. This is currently being used in Southern California to a degree, but there is simply not enough.

    We can get energy from heat, using Stirling engines. A Stirling engine is a very basic engine that uses a heat differential to expand gas, turn a piston, cool and compress the gas, and repeat the process. All you need to operate the engine, is a heat source. You can use the sun, you can use residual heat from manufacturing plants, water, anything where there is more heat than ambient room temperature. Obviously with something like a manufacturing plant, the residual heat is used more as a means to reduce energy loss through heat, rather than replace convential energy methods. This is a step in the right direction, as the concept is very similar to hybrid cars. Otherwise wasted energy is harnessed, and turned back into useful energy.

    In a related energy gathering effort, offshore devices (which the name eludes me) use the heat differential of water surface temperature to the much cooler water temperatures a few meters below. This difference also allows the operation of a Stirling-type engine, only with a huge efficiency margin due to the degree of the heat differential. This is currently being used in other countries, a major one of which is either Greenland or Iceland (can't recall). One of those countries uses almost 100% natural, renewable energy.

    Oh yea btw, Stirling engines have a much higher efficiency than Solar panels. A new method however, is to use mirrors to focus the energy of a greater surface area onto a smaller solar panel, to limit the amount of raw materials needed for the solar panel.
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    Someone mentioned earlier in this thread how these improved fuel standards help the oil companys..

    Im certainly not in favor of these ridiculous new standards,
    but how does improved fuel economy *help* the oil companys?

    the myth has been around for 40 years that "Car companys could build cars with much better fuel effeciancy, but they dont because the oil companys are so powerful and the oil companys want us to burn as much gas as possible..we could be driving around in cars getting 70 miles to the gallon if not for the oil companys"

    Im not one for conspiracy theorys..but I have to admit I could buy into that one..

    seems better fuel mileage would hurt oil companys, not help them..
    the last thing they want is better fuel economy.

    thoughts on that?

    thanks,
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    on solar..................how do you guys pushing this really expect it to do lots of good?in its current form its about worthless for powering things large scale unless your willing to destroy habitat and blanket the american west with Solar panels. IIRC there are about 20 some permits working their way through the system to build nuclear power plants. nuclear power plants have the potential to produce more energy from a handfull of acres versus mile upon mile upon mile of solar panels.

    as far as high mpg out of vehicles......its an easy process. reduce weight. look at motor cycles. however just how much weight are you willing to loose and how much are you willing to pay for it. light and cheap is easy but you sacrifice safety......safe and light is easy but you sacrifice economically priced. you can build a fly weight safe car that gets 70mpg off gas but who can pay for it? as far as claiming 70mpg out of a "super secret experimental" carborator......i have to call bull chit.......all a carb does is mix air with fuel.....just changing out a carb, i dont care how special it is, is not going to take you from 9mpg to 70mpg. a completely different engine? ill buy that. but a special carb? no way.
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