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The Mike Huckabee 2008 thread

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Figured I'd start a new thread since the other ones are quite lengthy. Post all your thoughts on Huckabee here.

Interesting interviews I've finished watching:

(Huckabee on removing the IRS and fairtax):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G9C7kE55N0M

(Huckabee on oil, gun control, international law, borders and other important issues)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKHve5gd5yM

Rattler, I'm especially interested to hear what you think about those two clips.
 
Must admit he is my least favorite. His comments on scripture over science -always- are disconcerting.
 
Must admit he is my least favorite. His comments on scripture over science -always- are disconcerting.

I invite you (and anyone else who has the same issue) to put aside his faith, and watch the videos and see where he stands on the issues.
 
I find it hard to like anyone who uses their faith as a wepeon to persuade others...
 
As I said in the other thread,
I consider myself a Conservative, and a Christian, but not necessarily a "Conservative Christian" in the political sense because I strongly believe in keeping all religion out of politics.
I support Republicans in nearly all areas of policy, EXCEPT when it comes to "intelligent design vs. evolution" and forcing religious beliefs into schools and public policy..
I believe in evolution, I support gay marriage because its the right thing to do and religion should have no part in that debate, and I believe the "Religious Right" as a political group is just as insane and dangerous as the "Al-gore wacko fringe left"..
fortunately both groups are somewhat small..(although Al's religion is growing more powerfull all the time..unfortunately.)

So I never really liked Huckabee..
and the recent "Mormon issue" totally soured me on him..
now I dont support him at all..
he used the "mormon issue" as a political weapon, using religion as a means to gain political power..and he did it deliberately behind the scenes while smiling at the camera and denying he was doing it.
he lied...that brought him right down to Bill Clintons "I did not have sex with that woman" level...

and I think Huckabee screwed his chances of being president with this issue..
sure, the fringe nutcase right will still support him, but mainstream Christians will be turned off by his using of Christianity as a tool to bring himself up and bring an opponent down..thats just wrong...


Scot
 
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As I said in the other thread,
I consider myself a Conservative, and a Christian, but not necessarily a "Conservative Christian" in the political sense because I strongly believe in keeping all religion out of politics.
I support Republicans in nearly all areas of policy, EXCEPT when it comes to "intelligent design vs. evolution" and forcing religious beliefs into schools and public policy..
I believe in evolution, I support gay marriage because its the right thing to do and religion should have no part in that debate, and I believe the "Religious Right" as a political group is just as insane and dangerous as the "Al-gore wacko fringe left"..
fortunately both groups are somewhat small..(although Al's religion is growing more powerfull all the time..unfortunately.)

So I never really liked Huckabee..
and the recent "Mormon issue" totally soured me on him..
now I dont support him at all..
he used the "mormon issue" as a political weapon, using religion as a means to gain political power..and he did it deliberately behind the scenes while smiling at the camera and denying he was doing it.
he lied...that brought him right down to Bill Clintons "I did not have sex with that woman" level...

and I think Huckabee screwed his chances of being president with this issue..
sure, the fringe nutcase right will still support him, but mainstream Christians will be turned off by his using of Christianity as a tool to bring himself up and bring an opponent down..thats just wrong...


Scot

Good job buying the mainstream media propaganda that he's using his faith to take him to the presidency. You obviously haven't seen any interviews with him.
 
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why i dont like Huckabee:

No states rights for moral issues like abortion. (Nov 2007)
Gay tolerance reflects lack of fixed societal standards. (Jun 2007)
Respect gay couples but no gay adoptions. (Jan 2007)
Signed legislation outlawing same-sex marriage in Arkansas. (Dec 2006)
Eliminating parole gives no incentive for rehabilitation. (Jan 2007)
Marriage relationship between one man, one woman, for life. (Sep 2007)
 
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The man makes me sick. He said "homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

Even if he believes that it's aberrant, unnatural, and sinful, that's one thing. But for a public official to SAY that? C'mon. It's just uncouth, and something a politician should not say. Bringing any mention of the concept of "sin", no matter what your views are, no matter what the issue, or what your party is, is uncalled for. And calling it a public health risk is just silly. I don't want to be led by a man who can't separate religion from politics.

Anyone remember Wayne Dumond? I blame that directly on Huckabee. The man needed to be in prison.
 
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The man makes me sick. He said "homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

Even if he believes that it's aberrant, unnatural, and sinful, that's one thing. But for a public official to SAY that? C'mon. It's just uncouth, and something a politician should not say. Bringing any mention of the concept of "sin", no matter what your views are, no matter what the issue, or what your party is, is uncalled for. And calling it a public health risk is just silly. I don't want to be led by a man who can't separate religion from politics.

Anyone remember Wayne Dumond? I blame that directly on Huckabee. The man needed to be in prison.

In all actual fairness he did answer this attack in one of the clips I posted. When he did write those comments in the questionnaire in 1992, there wasn't as much information on AIDS as we know today. There was still a stigma on the homosexuality community dealing with AIDS, even from professionals in the medical field where he got his information from.

As for whether or not he should have called it a sin or not, I understand what you're saying and understand the criticism. However JLAP if someone were to ask you if you prefer homosexuality to heterosexuality, would you deny your preference? Why should he lie that he believes homosexuality is a sin? I think there's a difference to be genuine about your beliefs and to force them upon people. He respects the 1st amendment and religious freedoms and doesn't think any religion should be favored or imposed upon. Does that make him wrong for being honest about his beliefs? Would you rather him lie and say that he believes homosexuality is not a sinful way of life according to God? I'm sure he would say gambling, alcoholism, and porn addiction are sinful ways of life too. At least this man has integrity about his beliefs, tries to live them out and is upfront and transparent about them.
 
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I saw your clips, and i saw the interview on the Mormon thing and i might believe him when he said it was a mistake. Might. I have a problem with his "women should submit" comment and yes i did hear that explained away too into something less pronounced, but i still disagree with the fundamental ideas behind it

Well then you obviously don't know who Huckabee is because he isn't running on his faith.
i have to disagree with this, isn't the man's campaign slogan "faith, family, and freedom"?
 
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Why should he lie that he believes homosexuality is a sin? I think there's a difference to be genuine about your beliefs and to force them upon people.

*No civil unions; only one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002)
*Signed legislation outlawing same-sex marriage in Arkansas. (Dec 2006)



sounds like to me he is willing to force his religious beliefs on ppl. he doesnt even believe in civil unions for gays.
 
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Do I have a preference? Well it depends on the context. I have a preference for having a romantic relationship with homosexuals over heterosexuals, for obvious reasons. If you mean do I have a preference for hanging out and being friends with homosexuals versus heterosexuals, then I honestly don't have a preference for either. It never comes into question and I wouldn't like someone extra or less based on their sexuality. I can't deny that I feel a fraternity to other gay people but I don't feel that I prefer their friendship over straight people.

To be honest, most of my friends are straight women lol. You said "I'm sure he would say gambling, alcoholism, and porn addiction are sinful ways of life too." and I agree, he probably does, but why single out homosexuality? I mean.... that's the thing. People make a HUGE deal of of homosexuality when , if it IS a sin (let's say it is for the sake of argument even though you know I wouldn't agree with that) it's no worse than any other sin in God's eyes. They really blow homosexuality out of proportion compared to every other sin.
 
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I saw your clips, and i saw the interview on the Mormon thing and i might believe him when he said it was a mistake. Might. I have a problem with his "women should submit" comment and yes i did hear that explained away too into something less pronounced, but i still disagree with the fundamental ideas behind it

i have to disagree with this, isn't the man's campaign slogan "faith, family, and freedom"?

The mainstream media has been attacking him ever since he became a front runner in the GOP. Yes he believes in God. Yes he's said some scripture and believes God is the creator, not random luck. It's because of this the media has been trying to twist and distort his campaign as "I'm the true Christian, vote for me". Therefore because he has faith in God, it's fair to totally disregard his as a candidate? Watch him in the debates and getting interviewed on his stances. 99.9% has nothing to do with his faith and it's a shame people totally disregard him because he does have faith. What about Romney, should we just conclude that he is a Mormon, end of story? Should we consider others as just Atheists? We're not electing some kind of high priest for the United States that is based solely on faith. We're voting for a President who can have any faith under the sun which should be irrelevant, what matters most is the direction they are going to take this country.
 
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*No civil unions; only one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002)
*Signed legislation outlawing same-sex marriage in Arkansas. (Dec 2006)



sounds like to me he is willing to force his religious beliefs on ppl. he doesnt even believe in civil unions for gays.

There's two stances on same-sex marriage. For it or against it. So you're saying that everyone that is against same-sex marriage, even those that are gays, do so because of religious beliefs?
 
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