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The Mike Huckabee 2008 thread

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  • #21
Do I have a preference? Well it depends on the context. I have a preference for having a romantic relationship with homosexuals over heterosexuals, for obvious reasons. If you mean do I have a preference for hanging out and being friends with homosexuals versus heterosexuals, then I honestly don't have a preference for either. It never comes into question and I wouldn't like someone extra or less based on their sexuality. I can't deny that I feel a fraternity to other gay people but I don't feel that I prefer their friendship over straight people.

To be honest, most of my friends are straight women lol.

No no no no no... I meant your sexuality. If you were running for office would it be more noble for you to lie and say that you are heterosexual or be honest and say you're for gay sex? That was the point.
 
  • #22
simple, we dont need another political leader ruled by faith. He would pull the religous card on ANY thing we would do, and when he is making desicions it would be by faith, not how the public feels.
 
  • #23
im saying he is using his religous beliefs to set policy to dictate what other ppl do...............i dont care if a person personally believes being gay is wrong ect. i do care that they are so tied up in their beliefs that they are unwilling to let others who dont share their beliefs live as they wish. if he came out and said i do not like homosexuality and i appose it but what two concenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my buisness. well then i could deal with that. and as i said marriage has two definitions, a religious one that varies with individuals personal beliefs even with in the same religion and the legal one. gays should be able to have the legal version, the religious version is up to personal beliefs, the churh they belong to ect.
 
  • #24
After all I've been through, there's no way I could live with myself if I lied. It would not be noble for a gay person to like about their sexuality because they think it would be easier to make it in politics (or to make it in anything, really.) It would be cowardly.

I thought about it. The only way I could feel comfortable lying about my sexuality was in an emergency in order to give a friend my blood.

And there's a big difference between saying "I am straight" and "homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk." If he believed homosexuality it's self was a public health risk, then he, as well as the doctors he got that info from, regardless of the stigma, are small minded and I pity them.
 
  • #25
simple, we dont need another political leader ruled by faith. He would pull the religous card on ANY thing we would do, and when he is making desicions it would be by faith, not how the public feels.

Everyone is ruled by faith, whether they are conscious of what that is or not is the problem.
 
  • #26
im saying he is using his religous beliefs to set policy to dictate what other ppl do...............i dont care if a person personally believes being gay is wrong ect. i do care that they are so tied up in their beliefs that they are unwilling to let others who dont share their beliefs live as they wish. if he came out and said i do not like homosexuality and i appose it but what two concenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my buisness. well then i could deal with that. and as i said marriage has two definitions, a religious one that varies with individuals personal beliefs even with in the same religion and the legal one. gays should be able to have the legal version, the religious version is up to personal beliefs, the churh they belong to ect.

Well you're assuming then that he believes that we should eradicate homosexuality all together and that people should only live one way, which is a bad assumption. You're also assuming that there can not be no other reason for having the stance of anti-gay marriage unless there is religion involved.
 
  • #27
Of course there is! You could simply have hate in your heart. Or believe that we'll abuse it for the benefits.

Of course, abusing something for benefits goes both ways. My mom's friend Becky and Becky's friend Mary got a better room rate for joining a gay tour group. They said they were lesbians to save money. Of course, abusing marriage for benefits isn't a good point since you could get a second class marriage. I mean a civil union.
 
  • #28
I dont care if he believes in god and scripture, thats fine. I dont have a problem with that, I dont care he has faith. But there is no way he can say hes not running a campaign based around his faith if he puts it in his slogan.
 
  • #29
Well you're assuming then that he believes that we should eradicate homosexuality all together and that people should only live one way, which is a bad assumption. You're also assuming that there can not be no other reason for having the stance of anti-gay marriage unless there is religion involved.

i repeat he has a recent history of using his religious beliefs to dictate what he believes ppl should do.........

i dont care if a candidate, any candidate says i dont like guns, gays marriage, marijuana, or roses with blue flowers...........i care they they are not going to impose their personal beliefs onto me. Huckabee is willing to do that as is Obama which is why i will never vote for them. i dont care what my neighbors do so long as they dont hurt anyone but themselves and dont preach to me about what i should do. i get along with all kinds of ppl including family that i love who dont share my beliefs......why can i do that? cause i dont preach to them and they dont preach to me and sure as hell dont try to impose their beliefs on me via force.
 
  • #30
I'm with Finch - you can't have it both ways. If your faith isn't an issue, you shouldn't make it a focus of your campaign. If you make it a focus of your campaign, you don't get to complain when it makes people uneasy and is a factor in their voting.

Huckabee has put his faith front and center, so he has no right at all to complain that people are put off him because of it.

i dont care if a candidate, any candidate says i dont like guns, gays marriage, marijuana, or roses with blue flowers...........i care they they are not going to impose their personal beliefs onto me.

Precisely. Even if I agree with the candidate that Lancashire Crumbly is the best cheese, I would not support them if they wanted to ban all other cheeses.

Mokele
 
  • #32
for the record i dont believe much what a politition says, especially in an election year.............i do care what a politition does. Huckabee DID BAN GAY MARRIAGE..........and has said in the past he doesnt believe in civil unions between gay ppl. he has shown he is willing to to put his religious beliefs ahead of personal freedom
 
  • #33
In all actual fairness he did answer this attack in one of the clips I posted. When he did write those comments in the questionnaire in 1992, there wasn't as much information on AIDS as we know today. There was still a stigma on the homosexuality community dealing with AIDS, even from professionals in the medical field where he got his information from.

As for whether or not he should have called it a sin or not, I understand what you're saying and understand the criticism. However JLAP if someone were to ask you if you prefer homosexuality to heterosexuality, would you deny your preference? Why should he lie that he believes homosexuality is a sin? I think there's a difference to be genuine about your beliefs and to force them upon people. He respects the 1st amendment and religious freedoms and doesn't think any religion should be favored or imposed upon. Does that make him wrong for being honest about his beliefs? Would you rather him lie and say that he believes homosexuality is not a sinful way of life according to God? I'm sure he would say gambling, alcoholism, and porn addiction are sinful ways of life too. At least this man has integrity about his beliefs, tries to live them out and is upfront and transparent about them.

Good job buying the mainstream media propaganda that he's using his faith to take him to the presidency. You obviously haven't seen any interviews with him.

Good job buying the Huckabee media propaganda that he's NOT using his faith to take him to the presidency. :wave: You obviously believe what you want to believe and ignore the rest.

I made up my opinion all by my little self..
and I have seen his interviews..so what?

the facts are..he had made recent comments about Mormonism:

"Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?" --Mike Huckabee, New York Times magazine article, December 16, 2007. ...

Obviously he knows the answer to that question, which is no, they dont.
thetre is no way we can believe he honestly didnt know..not now.
that statement was SO obviously meant to disparage Romney because he is Mormon and hurt Romneys campaign because he is Mormon.

then days later he apologizes..and we are supposed to believe he didnt mean anything by it?? please..little jabs like that are totally meant for effect, especially in a political campaign..NOTHING is "an innocent little meaningless comment"..so he cant act all innocent later and expect us to buy it (well...apparently some of us will buy it! ;)..but its too late, his true intent has already come out of his mouth.

Scot
 
  • #36
As much as I would like to see no federal tax at all, I can't get passed his foreign policy ideology.

his wanting a gold standard for money is fairly far fetched too......not enough gold in the US to do it..........but my god what a supporter of states rights..........
 
  • #38
his wanting a gold standard for money is fairly far fetched too......not enough gold in the US to do it..........but my god what a supporter of states rights..........

This is interesting:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4QbJ3phEYs

No one can tell you what to invest in. If people think the dollar is failing, they can invest their money in...gold! They don't have to wait for a gold standard monetary system.
 
  • #39
i think the dollar has about bottomed out and will prolly either stay put or go back up.........poor time to invest in gold to, with the way things are going in Iraq its hit its peak.....to buy now is to loose money......
 
  • #40
Peronsally, I think we've been trying to stave off economic collapse since the 70s. It's coming soon, and when it comes, its going to hit hard. The Fed is almost 100 years old...you can't last forever on a debt based system. Buying gold is kind of stupid, because when collapse does happen, everything is going to be worthless. If we suffer total economic collapse, which is entirely possible, it's going to be worse than the depression. Then we were much more agrarian, and though no one had money, you could still eat off your cattle/wheat/whatever. Times have changed, and when it happens, we're going to be screwed. Couple that with the fact that there are lots of opportunistic countries that don't really like us much, and we're in for it.
 
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