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    The Jews didn't kick the Palestinians out. The British offered the land to both the Jews and the Palestinians. The offer wasn't accepted by the Palestinians. The British government at the time, mishandled the whole situation.

    There are 3 basic theories or schools of thought about the predictive prophecy, mostly coming from Revelation, Daniel, and what Jesus spoke of.

    One refers to the Scripture as something that took place in the immediate future (1st & 2nd century AD).

    Another believes that this has been unfolding for the past 2 millenia, some of which has been fulfilled and some is to come.

    The third theorizes that this is all in the future.

    All have some things plausible about them and all have some things that don't fit nicely into the puzzle. I can't remember what was called what but I think the 2nd one is called Historicist. In my opinion, that one comes across as the most realistic.

    Bottom line, though, God will triuph in the end, no matter what our understanding is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zappafan View Post
    Full Preterism is an empty doctrine, which offers no hope of a better life and a better future. It tears away at God's promise to the world of everlasting peace and tranquility that will be accomplished at Jesus' Second Coming.
    I don't know what full preterism is, all I know is that a Great Tribulation occurred in Israel in 70AD. From what I understand the prophecy of Daniel must have had a huge impact on Old Testament readers, which is why Jesus uses the same words. To top that off He goes on and on about how horrible it will be, which would make it seem that it goes over and beyond the great tribulation of 70AD. However I see no connection with the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple, this is the part that I don't agree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by zappafan View Post
    If Jesus came in 70 AD as the Full Preterists claim, He didn't do a very good job establishing world peace where nation would not lift up sword against nation (Isaiah 2:1-4, Isaiah 11:9-10, Ezekiel 37:24-26 and Micah 4:3).
    Jesus didn't come to establish world peace, He came to give us atonement for our sins and re-establish our relationship with God.

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    The Temple must be rebuilt first http://www.geocities.com/~lasttrumpet/temple.htm

    The above link concerning the temple is not necessairly my belief, but I am astounded that you have not heard the argument for the temple being rebuilt, the abomination of desolation (what it signifies), and the different forms of systematic theologies dealing with the end times (eschatology).
    It's a misguided and stretched belief. First off it applies that WE can determine when the 2nd coming of Christ happens. Secondly it claims that we know where and when it's going to happen. Thirdly is claims that it has something to do with the rebuilding of a Jewish Temple, and not the temple of our bodies. The end of days will be a direct attack on believers' temples, not the Jewish temple.

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    I have heard some of the preterist arguments before. Have you heard the historicist argument of the great protestant martyrs? This is by no means an attack on you, I encourage you to study the history of the great men who died so we could even have the bible in English. They were/are much closer to God than many modern theologians or pastors.

    http://www.historicist.com/protestant_history.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimscott View Post
    Bottom line, though, God will triuph in the end, no matter what our understanding is.
    Agreed. If Jesus tells us nobody will know when it will happen, I think it's safe to say it has nothing to do with the Jewish temple. The rebuilding of the Jewish temple would not be something that would go unnoticed especially by people who believe that symbolizes the end of the world.
    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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    I think we all can agree as Jesus said of that day and hour no one knows..., however he prophetically gave signs to show what season we are in. By the way outsiders anytime you point to a website in effect you are not being scripture only (sola scriptura) but are looking at doctrine. Scripture is doctrine and the teaching of scripture can either be true or false doctrine. We are called to test all things 1 thess 5:22 and not to be so quick to write off things that do not agree with our theological belief systems. That is why I tried to show you competing thoughts on end time studies. May God continue to bless you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zappafan View Post
    I think we all can agree as Jesus said of that day and hour no one knows..., however he prophetically gave signs to show what season we are in. By the way outsiders anytime you point to a website in effect you are not being scripture only (sola scriptura) but are looking at doctrine. Scripture is doctrine and the teaching of scripture can either be true or false doctrine. We are called to test all things 1 thess 5:22 and not to be so quick to write off things that do not agree with our theological belief systems. That is why I tried to show you competing thoughts on end time studies. May God continue to bless you all.
    I understand what you're saying. In honesty I only provided those links because you asked me to answer a pretty big question late at night and I thought those links answered sufficiently. However I don't submit myself to a doctrine, or a group of thinking, but rather to Christ. Christians have claimed the world was coming to an end since the first generation of followers to now. The fact is the information given was purposely left vague, besides the amount of pain and suffering there will be. That is all we truly know. May God bless you as well!
    James 1:17

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    Some, but only some of the original Zionists were hoping to turn Palestine (later Israel) into a network of Jewish and Palestinian agricultural communes. They were driven more by socialist ideals than by any theology, so saw Palestinians as having an equal role.
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    Madness is something rare in individuals but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule. Friedrich Nietzsche

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