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    Quote Originally Posted by schloaty View Post
    And cops DON'T get away scott free. Amadou Diallo (sp?) anyone?
    While I agree with your general sentiment, I don't understand how this is an example of cops being punished:

    On March 25 a Bronx grand jury indicted the officers on charges of second-degree murder and reckless endangerment. On December 16 a New York appellate court ordered a change of venue to Albany, New York, stating that pretrial publicity had made a fair trial in New York City impossible. On February 25, 2000, after two days of deliberations, a jury unanimously voted to acquit the officers of all charges.
    I still think the problem is that the officers were wrong in their judgment. Yes, operating on snap judgments is a part of being a cop, and yes, these cops aren't (necessarily) deserving of first degree murder or manslaughter. But they still killed a man, and that is an offense in our society no matter who you are. It does nobody good to just give these cops bad publicity and a paid vacation; a slap on the wrist and glossing over the trial just tells the public that the cops don't care and are above the law. This fact often escapes the consideration of many pro-police types, but the people ultimately determine everything about being a cop; how much it pays, how safe it is, and whether the job is actually there or not. The idea behind paying police and lawfully empowering them to carry out their duties is that they actually make our lives better. Abuse the public too much and there will be no more niche for police, period;

    "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
    If the people charged with enforcing the law enforce it inconsistently, then it really does no good in the long run; if you can't rely on the police without being on their good side, then they're really no more useful than thugs asking for protection money. I think there should be some sort of action by the law; even if it isn't traditional criminal punishment, there needs to be a response which assures that these mistakes happen less.
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    Well there are some facts that can't be disputed. These facts are none of us were there, none of us knows what either of the involved people saw, heard or were thinking, and none of us sat through the trial and saw and heard all the evidence. So none of us have the right to decide if the men are guilty or innocent. The only facts we have are the ones provided by the media, who only care about writing a really good story.

    In the other case mentioned, if those facts are true then there is no case.

    The NAACP don't see in wrong or right, they only see in black and white.

    I think the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is a very outdated and no longer needed organization. First of all if you call a black person colored, you will be accused of being racist. They have advanced about as far as they can go. The proof is Barrack Obama. The only way they can advance any more is if he wins, which is very possible. So how can they as a race advance anymore in this country? He could not have gotten where he is without the white vote. It's time we move past what happened 200 years ago and come together as Americans. In my opinion the biggest hurdle to that is the NAACP. Every generation of black people seem to want to be called something different. Negro, colored, black and now African American. I don't understand that.

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    I think the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is a very outdated and no longer needed organization. First of all if you call a black person colored, you will be accused of being racist. They have advanced about as far as they can go. The proof is Barrack Obama. The only way they can advance any more is if he wins, which is very possible. So how can they as a race advance anymore in this country? He could not have gotten where he is without the white vote. It's time we move past what happened 200 years ago and come together as Americans. In my opinion the biggest hurdle to that is the NAACP. Every generation of black people seem to want to be called something different. Negro, colored, black and now African American. I don't understand that.

    Here you go ozzy...

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/

    A whole laundry list of racism, threats of violence, and intolerance he's still facing as well as his supporters.

    On your note, why don't we get rid of the girl scouts too? Do girls need to have a group to be inspired to be leaders anymore? There's one running for president, isn't that good enough?
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    I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that there is no longer racism. Racism exists between all races.

    I'm just saying judging by the name of the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) that with Obama's win of the presidency, there can be no further advancement in this country. Their goal will be achieved.

    The Girl Scouts main goal is not to the advancement of women, so that comparison is invalid.

    I personally think that the NAACP's will always take the black side no matter what is right. I think that is doing more harm than good with race relations. Like the Duke lacrosse team **** situation. The alleged victim was black so the NAACP got involved and demanded immediate expulsion of the students and that they be charged with ****.
    When it came out the the victim was lying, where was the NAACP?

    This has gotten this thread off topic and if you want to continue this conversation make a new thread. I'll be glad to talk about it further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that there is no longer racism. Racism exists between all races.

    I'm just saying judging by the name of the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) that with Obama's win of the presidency, there can be no further advancement in this country. Their goal will be achieved.

    The Girl Scouts main goal is not to the advancement of women, so that comparison is invalid.

    I personally think that the NAACP's will always take the black side no matter what is right. I think that is doing more harm than good with race relations. Like the Duke lacrosse team **** situation. The alleged victim was black so the NAACP got involved and demanded immediate expulsion of the students and that they be charged with ****.
    When it came out the the victim was lying, where was the NAACP?

    This has gotten this thread off topic and if you want to continue this conversation make a new thread. I'll be glad to talk about it further.
    wow this did get way off...Ozzy all i was saying is that the NAACP was getting involved (actually they were rumors...) because of the typical "white police vs black man". Thats how a lot of blacks were viewing it as; murder (im talking specifically bout the local case here).
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    I'm really tired of people always sayin that the police are brutal etc. i'm not sayin it doesnt happen, but not as often as everyone thinks. sometimes they have to use brutal tactics to prevent killings when in riot situations. it may injure people but when people dont listen to the law it kicks them in the rear...pure an' simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    True, but have you ever met a smart cop (basic "street" cop, not detective...who in some cases are still complete fools)? I sure as hell haven't. I don't think someone that got all C's in highschool and never went to college should have that kind of power (or any, for that matter). When they start requiring police to have college degrees, then maybe I'll respect them....
    just noticed this.... Thats BS mate. Thats like saying you wont respect a soldier who hasnt killed and was the bottom of his HS class..And what would a college degree prove? Those are way over rated IMO.
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    A college degree proves "I'm THIS" smart. And the one after than proves "I was that smart. Now I'm THIS smart." I wouldn't want a doctor or lawyer or accountant or stock broker without one of them there hoity-toity edumacational degrees.

    I don't think being a cop should require a degree. Yeah, it's a tough job an all so send your letters elsewhere, but there's not TOO much thinking involved that would require a college degree.

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