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    Woo! Pharmaceuticals ARE expensive. My monthly pill bill is around $230 give or take. That's taking advantage of the $4 generics on three of them, and that's with insurance. I think my deductible is 2K per year. Take a lesson from me, kids, don't do stupid things and have the insurance company put you in the "High Risk" category :P BUT, as expensive as they are, I can't not take them or my hair will fall out, I'll break out in acne, I'll hibernate (bum thyroid), claw my eyes out, smoke, and won't breath. It's ridiculous. I'm a walking pharmacy. I actually forget all I take sometimes. I take.. let's see... two albuterol, two wellbutrin, two doxycycline, two levothyroxine, two hydroxyzine, and one propecia daily. That's ELEVEN pills every day, not including the eight horse pills I take as vitamins every day. I use those damned pill organizers old people, cancer and HIV patients take. I'm totally dependant on these pills to maintain my quality of life. To be fair, I only NEED to take the levothyroxine and albuterol, the rest are just lifestyle drugs.

    Putting a limit on anyone's profits is totally un-American in my opinion. If they are doing something illegal or the money is going to the wrong place illegally, then crack down on them but do not put a limit on anyone's profits. Yeah, they totally make way more than they probably should, but this is capitalism and they can charge what they want, and that is fair. No one forces you do take their pills or buy their gas. You may NEED to, but you don't HAVE to. You can buy your drugs from foreign countries if you're the trusting type, and use bio-diesel. No one is holding a gun to your head.

    I ALSO think saying they should not advertise or give doctors free samples is wrong. This is America. I support maximum freedom. I see no reason why drug or even cigarette (begrudingly) companies should not be allowed to advertise their product. Americans LOVE their pills. As long as you've got a nice little slip of paper, anti-drug soccer moms will gladly shovel down Xanax with their afternoon cocktail and Ambien (Now with TWO layers for maximum unconsciousness) with their cigarettes before bed, before waking up the next day and giving Little Billy amphetamines so he'll do well in school (give anyone amphetamines and they'll study.. c'mon). The pharmaceutical companies are so powerful because we're all drug addicts in one sense and are more than willing to throw our money at them for a magic little pill that will make our life just a little bit better.

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    We do all kinds of things to limit profits on companies, and rightfully so. For example, we at least try to prevent them from colluding, which they do anyway to some extent. For services that are vital to a functioning society, it only makes sense to regulate the extent to which they can screw the public. California had the misguided idea to de-regulate the energy market recently, and suffered the repercussions immediately, as energy producers created artificial shortages and shutdowns in order to coerce the state into ridiculously high rates. Because they could.

    Similarly, we prevent monopolies from forming, since a company without competition can jack prices through the roof - and it's not like we can just decide to stop using stuff like gas, as it's how EVERYTHING gets shipped. So, today, we see that the oil companies are soaking us for ridiculous profits. In an era when the base product, the barrel of oil, is costing much more than ever, they are ADDING on to that with extra costs to get them more profit than any company of any kind has ever made in the history of the world. While the country is hurting economically, they are pouring salt in the wounds out of pure greed.

    I'm a small business owner, have always been one, and believe in capitalism. But the closer it gets to the vital things a society absolutely needs, the more you have to regulate and even add a touch of socialism. And it's a good thing we do, or we'd be paying stupid tolls for every time we leave the driveway. Or have a fire, or a robbery. Or send our kids to school. Or go to the grocery store for basic food supplies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    ... I liked Barok in the beginning, but after seeing what he was about and associated with I have changed my mind.
    reminded me of yesterday's Non Sequitur:



    just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonflower View Post
    reminded me of yesterday's Non Sequitur:
    rofl. That's good. Gotta love Non Sequitur (most of the time).

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    Well said caps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonflower View Post
    reminded me of yesterday's Non Sequitur:


    hehe.............. I like the part about being "out of context"; now, THAT is funny!
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    I agree. Those comments in any context mean the same thing in my opinion.

    Moon Flower it is not the fact that it is what his pastor said. It is the fact he tried to claim he didn't know about it and didn't know what his pastor was about. I would not have a spiritual adviser who has those kind of drastic views. Who you associate with gives an impression of who you are. I used to hang out with thugs and hoodlums. I was labeled as one of them and for all practical purposes had that mindset that my friends had. I was just smart enough to not do anything to get myself in trouble and had a drive about myself to move on and gravitate away from those folks.

    Max I agree with PK. Very well said. I know I am against socialism for all practical purposes, but I am also smart enough to realize that it is needed in cases like we are in. Greed is the root of all evil and when you have people not doing the right thing they need to be reined in. As I told Outsider, in a perfect world we could have unbridled the free market and let it regulate itself, but since we do not live in a perfect world and have CEOs who want to make 7 figure incomes and people just doing things out of greed or other reasons like pleasing the stockholder. When companies have reached their limit of growth without expanding the only way to increase the profits like expected in the market is to increase prices. So I do believe that the free market is a double edges sword and if your not careful you will cut yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    Similarly, we prevent monopolies from forming, since a company without competition can jack prices through the roof - and it's not like we can just decide to stop using stuff like gas, as it's how EVERYTHING gets shipped. So, today, we see that the oil companies are soaking us for ridiculous profits. In an era when the base product, the barrel of oil, is costing much more than ever, they are ADDING on to that with extra costs to get them more profit than any company of any kind has ever made in the history of the world. While the country is hurting economically, they are pouring salt in the wounds out of pure greed.
    Is a 10% profit margin is ridiculous? The last time I checked, that's about what they make. I'm sorry but they have invested massive amounts of capital into their businesses. Nobody was complaining when they were making 10% profit when gas was only $1 a gallon or less. You are welcome to purchase stock in any of the openly traded oil companies and reap the benefits of their profits.

    How much money should they be allowed to make? Since you are a small business owner, do you think it would be fair of the government or somebody else to tell you you can only make say a 5%-10% profit on the product you sell?

    That's commie talk! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any rules and regulations whatsoever, but it is simply insane to even hint at what you are suggesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonflower View Post
    reminded me of yesterday's Non Sequitur:



    just a thought
    That is an incredibly simple minded view. If only we ran our country the way we try and distort reality through political cartoons. Wait we actually do in some ways.

    Back the cartoon, it is not just something his pastor said 20 years ago and out of context. Belonging to a certain religion and even church shows your personal beliefs and ideals. Obama went to a church who's preacher for many years has openly taught and expressed racism, anti-US rhetoric, etc. You can tell who a person is by the people he/she surrounds himself with. Obama had that man not only as a preacher, but as a close personal friend. I don't want a person that willingly goes along with the pure tripe that was spewed at his place of worship in charge of the country making decisions that affect millions of Americans. There's really no comparison between choosing somebody for the office of president and the interview shown in that idiotic political cartoon.

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