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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    I believe that it was the grace of god that I met my future wife. I met her when my wife and I decided to swap partners one weekend. They came down from MN to meet us and swap spouses for the weekend. I have not looked back ever since. I have met the woman of my dreams and thank God every day for the opportunity to meet such a great woman.
    I don't know if you're trying to bait me or what not, but I'm not going to fall into this. I'd suggest if you'd want stuff like this not commented on to not stick them on a public forum.

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    People are born gay and can be swayed to the heterosexual side by the ever present reticule of people. There is such a bad stigma against being gay and if they buy into that they can put up the front of not being gay so they are not harassed by people like you.
    Oh so every homosexual/bi-sexual, who changed orientation, must have done it because of reticule? They couldn't actually have changed with the help of Christ? Time to dump that pocket sized God you believe in because God can do anything. Also please don't pretend to know me because you have not a clue. I don't harass or reticule gays.

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    My GF just brought up a good point. What about the part of the bible that teaches tolerance??
    What about tolerance? I think you and your GF are a little out of touch in this thread, and are making one too many assumptions.
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    Intoxication depends on intent? That must mean that someone who drinks punch at the frat party will only become intoxicated if she knows it's spiked. A lot of people might disagree.
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    "Prove to me historically that marriage is a government created institution/tradition."

    Just stating fact, it cannot be denied that religion is in itself it's own form of government. Lots of history behind it no matter what you believe.

    Other than that, perhaps now the rest of the states follow suit. Go Scotty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    God knows your motives and your heart. If you are purposefully doing something to intoxicate yourself, then gee golly you might actually become intoxicated. Having a glass of wine is not a sin.
    depends on your religion mate... it is mine...
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    In the whole argument about gay marriage - the only topic is "state-sanctioned" marriage, which is a legal contract unambiguously created by our government. Churches have always been able to use their own definition. What's at stake is the government-sanctioned version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    In the whole argument about gay marriage - the only topic is "state-sanctioned" marriage, which is a legal contract unambiguously created by our government. Churches have always been able to use their own definition.
    lol. That's exactly what I've been trying to say every time this topic (or any slightly relevant topic) comes up. You said it much more concisely and effectively than I ever did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    I don't know if you're trying to bait me or what not, but I'm not going to fall into this. I'd suggest if you'd want stuff like this not commented on to not stick them on a public forum.
    I put it there to be commented on and prove a point. I am not afraid of what i have done in the past nor will I ever be. I take responsibility for my actions. I also believe it happened for a reason and we were put there at that exact time to meet each other. I believe a higher power had a hand in that meeting. It was not just on chance I have met the woman of my dreams. I do not believe it is by chance that I have met someone I feel so comfortable around and someone I feel so in touch with. I do not believe it was by chance that the love we share for each other is so strong and growing stronger by the day. I do not believe it is chance that she has lead me to believe that God does exist and he can make you the happiest person alive. Even if the road to getting there seems to be a bad one. I am not ashamed of what I have done. I feel it was a necessity to get to this stage in my life and it was planned out for me in advance to do what I have done in my life to get to where I am today. God works in mysterious ways.



    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Oh so every homosexual/bi-sexual, who changed orientation, must have done it because of reticule? They couldn't actually have changed with the help of Christ? Time to dump that pocket sized God you believe in because God can do anything. Also please don't pretend to know me because you have not a clue. I don't harass or reticule gays.
    No I do not believe God would change people. Not that he can't, but he wouldn't. He can help you if you ask. He gave man free will to make his own choices, but your sexual preference is not a choice. It can be masked or put into the closet of your mind, but you never change orientation, unless you were bisexual to begin with and liked both men and women. Then you can give the impression of converting, but if you are truly gay and are not attracted to the opposite sex at all then, no I do not think you can really change, but instead deny yourself your true feelings and make yourself miserable trying to live a lie.

    You seem to be harassing them here in this thread. Wanting to deny someone the right to be recognized as a family in insurance eyes. Or have the other protections awarded to married couples is shameful.

    I never claimed to know you and expressing my views that counter yours. I don't agree with you and explaining why. I do not believe it is right to segregate one group of people based on sexual orientation, yet say it is not alright to segregate because or race. They are both segregation yet one is viewed as ok and one not.



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    What about tolerance? I think you and your GF are a little out of touch in this thread, and are making one too many assumptions.
    Are we? I don't think to. I believe when minds are closed of to other view points then it is not showing tolerance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    God knows your motives and your heart. If you are purposefully doing something to intoxicate yourself, then gee golly you might actually become intoxicated. Having a glass of wine is not a sin.
    He also knows when your sleeping and knows when your awake. So your saying when you get buzzed on a glass of wine but were not intending to get intoxicated its ok? BTW if you believe Jesus turned water into wine just enough for people to have one glass with dinner your mistaken. Wasn't the wine plentiful? It stands to reason there were a few drunken people there then. Oh BTW smoking marijuana is not a sin either. I forget the verse number, but I know the verse by heart. "I have given you all the seed baring plants and herbs to use."


    Ohhhhhh shoot. Gluttony is a sin too yet the church is not jumping all over fat peoples backs? If they did it might actually save some lives in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    No I do not believe God would change people. Not that he can't, but he wouldn't. He can help you if you ask. He gave man free will to make his own choices, but your sexual preference is not a choice. It can be masked or put into the closet of your mind, but you never change orientation, unless you were bisexual to begin with and liked both men and women. Then you can give the impression of converting, but if you are truly gay and are not attracted to the opposite sex at all then, no I do not think you can really change, but instead deny yourself your true feelings and make yourself miserable trying to live a lie.
    I'm just relaying stories I've personally heard. It's not a rarity and you can find them online as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    You seem to be harassing them here in this thread. Wanting to deny someone the right to be recognized as a family in insurance eyes. Or have the other protections awarded to married couples is shameful.
    Where did I say I wanted to deny someone the right to be recognized as a family or deny them the right of the same protections under the law? Nowhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    I never claimed to know you and expressing my views that counter yours. I don't agree with you and explaining why. I do not believe it is right to segregate one group of people based on sexual orientation, yet say it is not alright to segregate because or race. They are both segregation yet one is viewed as ok and one not.
    I think your logic is fallacy. There is no equivalence between the segregation of public schools and whether or not a gay couple is called a marriage or union. I also disagree with you that the definition of the institution of marriage should be changed.

    Please do explain how gay couples given the term civil union, with the same EXACT word for word legal rights as the legal definition of marriage would be disadvantaged.

    With your logic mens and womens bathrooms shouldn't be segregated. We should have only one bathroom for both sexes. Separate is not equal.

    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    Are we? I don't think to. I believe when minds are closed of to other view points then it is not showing tolerance.
    Once again you don't know me, so quit pretending. Just because I believe it is wrong for the definition of marriage to be changed does not mean I hate gays. There is no need to change the definition. Heterosexual relationships are different than homosexual relationships, and that is just plain fact. Just like women are different than men. We don't call women men, or men women, or both ONE name. They are both uniquely different and equal. So why is it so gosh darn important to REDEFINE the term marriage if honestly the two institutions here are different? It's not about rights, it's about social acceptability.


    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    He also knows when your sleeping and knows when your awake. So your saying when you get buzzed on a glass of wine but were not intending to get intoxicated its ok? BTW if you believe Jesus turned water into wine just enough for people to have one glass with dinner your mistaken. Wasn't the wine plentiful? It stands to reason there were a few drunken people there then. Oh BTW smoking marijuana is not a sin either. I forget the verse number, but I know the verse by heart. "I have given you all the seed baring plants and herbs to use."
    So I assume that you've never heard of drinking in moderation? Or the health benefits that occur from doing so? People can abuse lots of things, that doesn't mean the only option is to abuse it. I would be careful how you are interpreting scripture because God is very clear about any kind of drunkenness (not only from alcohol) and it seems like you've either misread or added in extra tid bits to appease yourself. Maybe you should talk to your church's pastor about verses in question.
    James 1:17

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