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Thread: California supreme court overturns gay marriage ban

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    You can celebrate Xmas if you want. It's really fun lol. It's really no a religious holiday in the public sphere anymore. Even some Jews celebrate it.

    I'd make a terrible lawyer. I'm too fair and honest After attending many long meetings with my rents and seeing the legal process first hand, there's no way in hell I'd ever be a lawyer. I've wanted to be a doctor since I was five and that's my life's plan. I don't know if I want to be a specialist or not... but considering the pay difference when you specialize in one field, I think I'll end up one. Too early to worry about that; I'll do whatever makes me happiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Isn't it arrogant for 4 people to decide for the rest of the state of California?
    No. It's their job. It's just another day at work.

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    And what is particularly amazing is that virtually none of those who support this decision -- let alone the four compassionate justices -- acknowledge this.
    Maybe they don't acknowledge this because it's common sense? And, it's their job. When I complete a routine job at work, I don't make it a big deal. "Holy cow, I just gave a developmental judicial sanction to a student who violated the student code of conduct by harassing a homosexual student! Give me a freaking cookie and look at how awesome I am!"

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    Medicinal related posts moved to their own thread! Please redirect your responses here.

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    lol sorry xvart...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhistAdam View Post
    lol sorry xvart...
    I just wanted to make sure you guys had your own "playground."

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    I will admit to never reading a bible, but I have been meaning to so I can provide better arguments to you the things your saying. Just like the claims of others that their words were being taken out of context so can a single verse in the bible.
    This is what is absolutely shocking to me. You readily admit to never reading the Bible, yet you are using it to argue against a Christian perspective and a person who seems to me to know the Bible quite well. You are doing what so many people do... you use the bible when it is convenient and when it fits in with your agenda. People will discredit it in one breath and then pick and choose verses in another. If you are going to read the Bible to refute a Christian perspective, why even bother? You have a biased view and you will learn nothing. You cannot simply pick up the Bible, read it once, and grasp the full meaning of its content.

    For everyone else, let me preface what I am about to say with this. Though I do not personally agree with homosexuality, I will never shun or condemn a homosexual. I believe it is a sin just like any other sin, but its consequences can be greater. That being said, the Bible is clear on its stance regarding homosexuality (for those of you that are saying otherwise). Here are a few verses:

    Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

    Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act."

    Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

    And there you have it... cut and dry. I realize not everyone thinks the Bible has the authority I do, but at least do not claim it does not condemn homosexuality.

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    Worse consequences? Can you elaborate?

    It is not cut and dry. Nothing is cut and dry. PLEASE don't say that, because if you REALLY are going to stick to that and say that it is so just because it's in the Bible, then you ABSOLUTELY HAVE to believe this is perfectly fine too, because it's in the Bible. By your own argument, you HAVE to believe this.


    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.



    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

    The list goes on. If you are going to take the bible literally, and you say something is cut and dry because it's in the Bible, then you HAVE to believe the above are OK, because if you don't, then you're a hypocrite. You MUST, by your own argument, believe the above are perfectly acceptable.

    You MUST believe I should be put to death for having sex with a man.
    You MUST believe that keeping slaves is fine.
    You MUST believe it's perfectly acceptable to sell your own daughter as a slave, and that polygamy is fine.
    You MUST believe it's OK to beat your slave, as long as you don't kill the slave.
    You MUST believe if a man is caught raping a woman, he gives her father some money, then has to marry her and can't divorce.
    You MUST believe that if a man has an affair with a married women, they should both be stoned to death.

    And there you have it. It's in the Bible. It's cut and dry. And the list goes on.

    You don't personally agree with homosexuality. That's fine. Would you vote against same sex marriage?

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    Let me play!

    You also have to believe that if a city worships another god, you have to kill everyone in it.
    Or that everyone that works on the sabbath should be put to death.
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