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    Ahh, OK. I thought you were trying to say homosexuality is worse than any other sin. As for diseases, anyone who has unprotected sex can pick up diseases. I'm sort of scared of sex, protected or unprotected, so I'm not a slut or anything, but I'm not any more afraid that if I were straight. Or at least I don't think I would be. Saying being gay has more consequences is like saying being black has more consequences since they have a higher rate of HIV than white people.

    You totally did what I expected. You pick and choose what to believe when it fits your lifestyle. You put things into context when you find it convenient, but you take the parts about gays as literal and cut an dry. This is typical of Christians who think homosexuality is a sin. You can't say one thing is literal and cut and dry because it's in the Bible, and not the next. I provided the verse to the one you didn't know off hand. You made your own arguement in one post, and then totally contradicted it in the next. You did exactly what you were complaining people like Josh do.

    Jesus clarified a law a bunch of self righteous, pious old men took way out in left field. Gee. I wonder if he would have touched on all of the OTHER BS laws in the Bible given the chance? OH MY GOD! I'm going to crap my pants! Now I see that even AFTER you went back and tried to justify not believing in terrible things, you're NOW saying that the Bible is your final word on what's right and wrong, and you believe in absolutes! You are a walking contradiction! It's like.... I'm in shock that you can contradict your own absolute arguments so much! You're saying two different things that totally conflict each other, and the worst part is you cant see it although we do.


    I've never actually heard any Jews complaining about us wanting to extend the definition of Marriage. I'm sure some do, but Jews tend to be socially progressive and easy going. Don't they even allow gay Rabbi's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Ahh, OK. I thought you were trying to say homosexuality is worse than any other sin. As for diseases, anyone who has unprotected sex can pick up diseases. I'm sort of scared of sex, protected or unprotected, so I'm not a slut or anything, but I'm not any more afraid that if I were straight. Or at least I don't think I would be.

    You totally did what I expected. You pick and choose what to believe when it fits your lifestyle. You put things into context when you find it convenient, but you take the parts about gays as literal and cut an dry. This is typical of Christians who think homosexuality is a sin. You can't say one thing is literal and cut and dry because it's in the Bible, and not the next. I provided the verse to the one you didn't know off hand. You made your own arguement in one post, and then totally contradicted it in the next. You did exactly what you were complaining people like Josh do.

    Jesus clarified a law a bunch of self righteous, pious old men took way out in left field. Gee. I wonder if he would have touched on all of the OTHER BS laws in the Bible given the chance? OH MY GOD! I'm going to crap my pants! Now I see that even AFTER you went back and tried to justify not believing in terrible things, you're NOW saying that the Bible is your final word on what's right and wrong, and you believe in absolutes! You are a walking contradiction! It's like.... I'm in shock that you can contradict your own absolute arguments so much! You're saying two different things that totally conflict each other, and the worst part is you cant see it although we do.


    I've never actually heard any Jews complaining about us wanting to extend the definition of Marriage. I'm sure some do, but Jews tend to be socially progressive and easy going. Don't they even allow gay Rabbi's?
    Actually Dennis Prager is a practicing Jew and obviously does have problems with it.

    We can argue Leviticus all you want, God made it pretty clear in Genesis that marriage is between a man and a woman. If homosexuality was sufficient, why did God deem it necessary that man needed woman? Why didn't God just create another man? Also God created man and woman in his image. Which is why it takes the two to make ONE flesh.
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    He's a nut. He's batcrap crazy. He also believes America doesn't have to follow international law or the UN, among other crazy ideas.

    Asking me why God didn't make everyone gay is like asking me why God didn't make everyone white, blond with blue eyes, and athletic Germans..... Why do we have people with disabilities? Why do we have short people? Why do we have people with green eyes? Why do we have people who prefer vanilla ice cream over chocolate? Why can some people taste phenylthiocarbamide, but not most? Why do some people suck at math but rock at science? Why do some people think cucumbers taste better pickled? Why are some people born with one eye of one color and the other of a different color? Why do some people need glasses? Why do some people freckle, and others tan? Why are some people black and others white?

    Why didn't God just create everyone the same? Why did he find it necessary to make diversity? Clearly we're in his image, so we should all be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    He's a nut. He's batcrap crazy. He also believes America doesn't have to follow international law or the UN, among other crazy ideas.
    It's crazy to suggest that America should be governed by America?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustLikeAPill View Post
    Asking me why God didn't make everyone gay is like asking me why God didn't make everyone white, blond with blue eyes, and athletic Germans..... Why do we have people with disabilities? Why do we have short people? Why do we have people with green eyes? Why do we have people who prefer vanilla ice cream over chocolate? Why can some people taste phenylthiocarbamide, but not most? Why do some people suck at math but rock at science? Why do some people think cucumbers taste better pickled? Why are some people born with one eye of one color and the other of a different color? Why do some people need glasses? Why do some people freckle, and others tan? Why are some people black and others white?

    Why didn't God just create everyone the same? Why did he find it necessary to make diversity? Clearly we're in his image, so we should all be the same.
    I didn't ask you why God didn't make everyone gay, I just stated Genesis. Differences in appearance or disability is nothing in contrast to the definition of marriage vs redefining it.
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    Yes. Suggesting America doesn't have to follow international law and the UN is crazy. We do not own the world.

    Why do right-wingers say we're redefining it? We're broadening it to be more inclusive. Redefining it would be something like... "Marriage is what happens when a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it."

    You actually DID ask me why God deemed it necessary to create woman, and not just another man.And as much as I like beating a dead horse with this subject, I'm about to go out of town for five days. I may or may not have wifi.

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    anyone who has unprotected sex can pick up diseases.
    Anddddd you can still get HPV even if you're wearing a condom.

    To all the religious folk in this topic...
    If you have a point that you can prove WITHOUT the bible, I'd be happy to hear it. The bible is not a history book, its not a law book, etc. It is one of the most hateful, bigoted, atrocious pieces of filth to ever slime its way across the literary table, and proves absolutely nothing. The psychotic ramblings of barely literate desert nomads, who thought stars were holes in the blanket of the night, does absolutely nothing for your arguments. It's like me quoting The Iliad. Continuously pointing to a book with little to no truth to it whatsoever makes you look bad. Or maybe I'm wrong....after all, everything in the bible is true, because the bible says the bible is true, so therefore, the bible is true. "god doesn't work so much in mysterious ways, as he does in ever decreasing circles" - Pat Condell

    You guys can participate in your sun worshipping desert death cult all you want, but to try to use your fabricated truths to oppress others is a clear violation of human rights.
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    I think it's interesting how many Christians use the Mosaic Law to justify many views when Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. I also think it's interesting how they pick and choose what they want to from the Bible then castigate others for doing the same thing.
    You're right, he did come to fulfill the law, but that does not mean he came to omit it. There were some things that were obviously being interpreted wrong (i.e. doing anything on the Sabbath is a sin) and Jesus clarified this mistake; however, it is a leap in logic to assume that means you can toss out Old Testament Law. I have answered what has been thrown at me... so I would like to think I am not picking and choosing.

    If we're going to look at the Mosaic Law, remember that it's an abomination to wear clothings of mixed fiber. No poly/cotton blends for you, my dears. It's also unclean to eat animals with cloven hooves. Yum! This bacon cheeseburger sure is good!
    Many of these laws (i.e. it is forbidden to eat the blood of animal) were done to protect the people. Resistance to disease was not as strong in Old Testament times as it is now nor did they have the medical infrastructure we do. There were also obvious cultural differences; there is a fine line, however, in understanding some of the Mosaic Law is obviously outdated versus thinking that means the entire law is obsolete. If Jesus came to fulfill the law, it implies the law still has merit.


    I also think it's interesting how even though the New Testament CLEARLY states that Christians are no longer held to follow the Mosaic Law, Christians still follow very specific parts of it, typically those who are used to oppress others.
    So you are saying Christians are no longer held to "Thou shalt not murder?"



    I think it's very interesting how Christians are opposed to the supposed "gay agenda" and accuse homosexuals of attempting to "convert" everyone to the way we live when Christians are dictated to proselityze all the world. I also think it's conveniently overlooked by many Christians who accuse gays of attempting to "convert" everyone to the way we live when as gays, many of us say we had no choice in the matter. If we believe we had no choice in the matter, why do you think we would believe that you have a choice in the matter? I find the whole "lifestyle choice" to be a laughable argument in the first place. Yes, I woke up one morning and decided that I'd like nothing better than to oppose everything I'd ever been taught, to be equated with molesters and practicers of bestiality, and to be scorned by society at large.
    Agreed. I have never made the argument or claim that gays are trying to convert everyone. If someone asks me, I will say I do not agree with the lifestyle, but I am not going to run out into the street with a sign and wave it around like a lunatic. I live my life and they live theirs. "Christians" that burn down abortion clinics or persecute someone for their lifestyle are the exception, just as Muslims who fly planes into buildings are the exceptions. So just as you are asking for the generalizations to be left at the cutting room floor, so am I.

    There have undoubtedly been countless atrocities committed in the name of God and of the Church. The Church has attempted to oppress people for centuries. Coming from a Deaf family, it's common knowledge that in years past, the official position of the Church was that people who were Deaf were uneducable and couldn't be saved (according to the Church's interpretation of scripture) because they could not "hear" the Word of God. I have a hard time believing that people like my grandparents, great grandparents, cousins, etc., are condemned. The Church has obviously been wrong before in their interpretation of the Bible and it seems obvious to me that the Church will be wrong again. The Church and its leaders are not infallible.
    AGREED. Cannot agree more. The Church has committed many blunders in the past and will keep doing so... because of what you said... it is made of humans. Herein lies the difference... one can easily see if the church has made a mistake by seeing if it contradicts the Word of God. If it does, then we know people were operating on their own selfish, political agenda and it is not of God. The Church has made many mistakes, but that does not invalidate the core doctrines of Christianity... it simply means there are stupid people out there. Now, if you look at it and stricken absolutes, anything goes, so whatever the church does is completely justified.

    Finally, simply because the Church has been wrong in the past does not mean it is wrong where the concept of homosexuality is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Please do show where [I] have taken parts of the Bible to support [my] ideas and discard the rest.

    1) Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

    2) Comment not on the mote in thine brothers eye while ignoring the plank in thine own


    Your attitude and comments toward others run counter to those passages taken from the bible
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