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    Yay. More arguments for me to respond to. [EDITED INTO A CIVIL REMARK]

    If they're both consenting to marriage, why not?
    Incest is illegal because if it weren't, we'd have a lot more of a certain kind of folk running around. Hint hint. Oh, and have you ever seen Deliverance?
    Also, those couples will produce children who almost, if not always, will have some major congenital defects. Most of the children die in infancy, etc, etc.

    Homosexuals don't add to the gene pool either.
    But they don't negatively add to it like incest does (IF the child survives). Oh, [EDITED] if a brother and sister knowingly commit incest, and it results in a child, which of course they know has about a 100% chance of some nasty birth defect, and the child dies as a result of such defect (which will happen at least eventually about 99% of the time), then that brother and sister just knowingly committed murder by your standards, didn't they? [EDITED]

    Then every other non-traditional couple deserves the SAME protection as a homosexual couple. To not give them the same rights is discrimination.
    Let's use that thing called literacy and read why not. Animals and children do not possess the capacity to consciously make a decision about a relationship. A gay couple is still two Homo sapien ssp. sapien. A girl and a horse = FAIL.

    Also you're free to believe that you are a descendant of a monkey but please try to think harder than one when writing replies
    [EDITED] ? Humans and monkeys shared a common ancestor...we never "were" monkeys. [EDITED]
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    I think informed consent is a valid and reasonable requirement for the state conferring legal and financial protections. We do this to afford protections to families. It is currently ILLEGAL to have "relations" outside of informed consent. It's an established legal principle. It is currently LEGAL to have a homosexual relationship, by contrast.

    Instead of trying to figure out what other forms of relationships we should give benefits to, please try to provide at least one valid reason we should deny them to gay families.

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    I think this is fantastic!

    If I've said it before (I have!), I'd say it again (I will!): If a christian church chooses to "marry" a same-sex couple, then everything goes out the window in terms of the religious sanctity argument. I'm sure if a gay couple wants to get married under a christian church and a church chooses to marry them, then that settles that. If they are turned down by some other church, no big deal either. All churches operate under different interpretations and serve their population as they see fit. There is no umbrella. If gay couples want a civil union, they go to the courthouse; if they want to get married, they go to a church that knows that that is okay in the eyes of god, then they go to the courthouse. The point is, the government can't tell a church what to do just as the church can't tell the government what to do.

    And, comparing the rights of homosexual couples to the rights of dogs, horses, and other animals, and children is as insulting as it is absurd, for the exact reasons Max listed.

    And (puts moderator hat on), let's keep this civil, engaging, and educational. All slightly inflammatory posts, with any sort of derogatory-ness will be edited as soon as noticed, without any concern for content or argument and warnings will be handed out accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    Well, again, any incestuous relationship creates genetic problems for the progeny. Homosexual relationships do not.
    Whether an incestuous relationship creates an alien, what does it matter? What gives you the right to say they're not allowed to reproduce and be happy? Whether or not it could create defects in the offspring is not a good enough reason to withhold equal rights and protection from a consenting non-traditional couple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    And yes, gay people add to the gene pool just like you and I do. It's called artificial insemination and surrogate mothers, and I know people who've done it.
    The majority of gays do not add to the gene pool, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for a gay couple to create life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    Again, gay couples and families already exist. Why on earth would we deny them the financial and legal protections we give straight couples and families? Your particular church rules do not apply to others, as it should be for both your and our protection.
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    Oooh. All sarcasm aside, I remember someone working on just that! It was a long time ago but I distinctly remember someone trying to produce an egg with the genes of one man that could be fertilized by his partner. Not like one specific couple, I mean couples in general. I wonder how long it'll be before it comes to fruition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Interesting. So please do show me how Jews/Christians are forcing people to get married and have marriage rights. Oh that's right, I believe people are taking from Judeo/Christian values and distorting it for their own means.

    Also you're free to believe that you are a descendant of a monkey.


    Theirs more than one religion that "marry" but their is separation of church and state, separation of peoples values, and a documented saying that people are married.

    A Church can deny some one to get married to the same sex, but the people can get it done at the state house or w/e you get it done, that says they are married.

    that way it keeps your opinions to your self, and other people to do what want with in the limits of the law.
    Last edited by xvart; 05-15-2008 at 04:25 PM. Reason: see my post (28).

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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Incest is illegal because if it weren't, we'd have a lot more of a certain kind of folk running around. Hint hint. Oh, and have you ever seen Deliverance?
    Also, those couples will produce children who almost, if not always, will have some major congenital defects. Most of the children die in infancy, etc, etc.
    This argument is invalid, because regardless of allowing incestual marriage, incestual relationships will happen and reproducing of incestual couples do happen. We're not arguing defects here, we're arguing the rights of incestual couples to get married and have equal rights under the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    But they don't negatively add to it like incest does (IF the child survives). If a brother and sister knowingly commit incest, and it results in a child, which of course they know has about a 100% chance of some nasty birth defect, and the child dies as a result of such defect (which will happen at least eventually about 99% of the time), then that brother and sister just knowingly committed murder by your standards, didn't they?
    Genetic defects are rampant everywhere now, without incest.

    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Animals and children do not possess the capacity to consciously make a decision about a relationship. A gay couple is still two Homo sapien ssp. sapien. A girl and a horse = FAIL.
    Incest does not always involve children. When you were edumacated down their in Texas did you not read Oedipus Rex? You can have two consenting adults with incest. If a woman loves her horse and wants to marry it why not?
    Last edited by xvart; 05-15-2008 at 04:27 PM. Reason: see my post (28).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nepenthes_ak View Post
    Theirs more than one religion that "marry" but their is separation of church and state, separation of peoples values, and a documented saying that people are married.

    A Church can deny some one to get married to the same sex, but the people can get it done at the state house or w/e you get it done, that says they are married.

    that way it keeps your close minded doctrine to your self, and sensible people to do what want with in the limits of the law.
    Prove to me historically that marriage is a government created institution/tradition.
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