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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Didn't one of them admit that?

    I just poked around in some things the other day. Alaska has enough oil to supply the US at the projected increased rate of growth for 200 years. Supply is kept extremely artificially low.


    That has been a big subject for a while on radio around here. It is a bunch of blaming an entire political party for not drilling. The term "tree hugger" is tossed around a bit about not drilling in Alaska and harming the wildlife. It gets annoying after a little bit. It isn't just as simple as that.

    I'm torn. If it can be done responsibly and on a small scale so as not to decimate the Alaskan wilderness, then ok. I just seriously doubt that it can be done that way. I can't help but feel that as soon as one hole is dug and that door is opened a little, greed will pour into the area and it'll look like a man-made industrial hell. We here on TF should understand the idea of what happens when greed moves into pristine natural areas.

    I'm more interested in this new discovery under North Dakota. Tons of oil without the threat of shipwrecks in the ocean, less distance to travel since it is already in the lower 48-sounds ideal to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilbasso View Post
    That has been a big subject for a while on radio around here. It is a bunch of blaming an entire political party for not drilling. The term "tree hugger" is tossed around a bit about not drilling in Alaska and harming the wildlife. It gets annoying after a little bit. It isn't just as simple as that.
    um..it really is as simple as that..
    and there really is an entire political party to blame for not drilling..
    its just a basic fact..

    I'm torn. If it can be done responsibly and on a small scale so as not to decimate the Alaskan wilderness, then ok. I just seriously doubt that it can be done that way. I can't help but feel that as soon as one hole is dug and that door is opened a little, greed will pour into the area and it'll look like a man-made industrial hell. We here on TF should understand the idea of what happens when greed moves into pristine natural areas.

    I'm more interested in this new discovery under North Dakota. Tons of oil without the threat of shipwrecks in the ocean, less distance to travel since it is already in the lower 48-sounds ideal to me.
    The thing is..if we drilled in Alaska, it would be SO much more environmentally friendly than the current oil drilling in the middle east! which we have no control over when it comes to protecting the environment..

    So which would you rather have, "environmentally responsible" (as much as possible anyway) drilling in alaska,
    or burning and leaking and blown-up oil wells in the middle east?

    From a "whole earth" perspective, it makes a lot more sense to let the US do the drilling, where the environmentalists can watch over it (which yes, I think is a good thing)
    rather than totally uncontrolled and very messy and poluting drilling in the rest of the world...where our oil comes from currently.

    Drilling in Alaska, and getting less oil from the Mid East as a result, would be BETTER for the environment, on a global scale, than NOT drilling in Alaska..

    The oil has to come from somewhere...
    IMO it should come from the place that is best equipped to protect the environmant while drilling and producing that oil..
    that is NOT the Mid East..its us.

    Environmantalists should FAVOR drilling in Alaska...because it would be better for the global environment as a whole..
    The Mid-east is part of the world..the unchecked pollution that happens there effects the whole world..
    you cant "Save Alaska" while the rest of the world goes to hell..
    when it comes to protecting the environment, you have to think globally..

    Scot

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    I'm more interested in this new discovery under North Dakota. Tons of oil without the threat of shipwrecks in the ocean, less distance to travel since it is already in the lower 48-sounds ideal to me.
    ahhhhhhhhh hate to tell yah but the Bakken isnt new and isnt limited to North Dakota....we have been pulling oil out of it since the 70's....heavily since 1998......still havent figured out why its making headlines the last few months cause its been widely known about for 30 years.....hell im sitting on top of the Bakken oil field right now as it extends well into eastern Montana and up into Canada aways......
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    I'm ready to go drill in Alaska. Some people think that if we start drilling there, it's going to immediately start an environmental holocaust......FAIL!
    First of all, the wildlife preserve it is under is extremely massive, and not that much of it would be effected (at least after digging a trench and laying a pipeline). Plus, if we lost some species (which will happen anywhere you drill), so what? 99.9% of anything to ever live is extinct....do we REALLY need a seal with 5 hairs on its cheek instead of 3? And that's if it even happened. New species specifically adapted to disturbances will rush in to fill the gaps, and life goes on. I'm into environmental responsibility and all, but there's a point where it just gets ridiculous. The whole "green" movement is more of a political agenda not convincingly backed by science than anything else. It's not true because it is actually true, it's just truth through repetition.

    Oh, and the current political powers (mostly republican) are the ones to blame for not drilling in Alaska. Almost all of them (the most powerful at least) have SOME kind of oil ties, or get kickbacks, large campaign contributions, etc from oil interests. They sit there and blame the left for being "tree-huggers", some of whom are, but they're not the ones stopping it/absolutely flat out refusing to even consider it. Good ol' propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    I'm ready to go drill in Alaska. Some people think that if we start drilling there, it's going to immediately start an environmental holocaust......FAIL!
    First of all, the wildlife preserve it is under is extremely massive, and not that much of it would be effected (at least after digging a trench and laying a pipeline). Plus, if we lost some species (which will happen anywhere you drill), so what? 99.9% of anything to ever live is extinct....do we REALLY need a seal with 5 hairs on its cheek instead of 3? And that's if it even happened. New species specifically adapted to disturbances will rush in to fill the gaps, and life goes on. I'm into environmental responsibility and all, but there's a point where it just gets ridiculous. The whole "green" movement is more of a political agenda not convincingly backed by science than anything else. It's not true because it is actually true, it's just truth through repetition.

    Oh, and the current political powers (mostly republican) are the ones to blame for not drilling in Alaska. Almost all of them (the most powerful at least) have SOME kind of oil ties, or get kickbacks, large campaign contributions, etc from oil interests. They sit there and blame the left for being "tree-huggers", some of whom are, but they're not the ones stopping it/absolutely flat out refusing to even consider it. Good ol' propaganda.
    kinda like that one crazy guy that said the earth revolves around the sun, pfft... everybody knows that the whole universe revolve around earth... crazy guys with their crazy ideas. we should exile them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    Oh, and the current political powers (mostly republican) are the ones to blame for not drilling in Alaska. Almost all of them (the most powerful at least) have SOME kind of oil ties, or get kickbacks, large campaign contributions, etc from oil interests. They sit there and blame the left for being "tree-huggers", some of whom are, but they're not the ones stopping it/absolutely flat out refusing to even consider it. Good ol' propaganda.
    wow..that really IS good propaganda!
    very nicely done..and its already working, because YOU believe its true!
    fascinating..

    I have never heard that one before..
    (probably because its so recently made up)
    but as we all know, everything is Bush's fault right!
    might as well pin him for not drilling in Alaska too..

    Scot

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