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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    And you have citizenship? Appalling. The founding fathers were above all, secularists, and even some of them were atheists (Jefferson, for one, IIRC).

    This sounds like something taught to kids in the government-run schools. I was taught this as well until I got out and did some searching. The facts ARE out there, you just gotta look for 'em a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClintParsons View Post
    Why republican over democrat? From what I've read, you don't seem to be socially conservative. Maybe fiscally?
    I don't know, lol. I'm actually really not into politics and I'm sick of seeing it on tv all the time, but when your husband is really into watching it, you don't have much choice, lol. I think all three candidates this year would suck at being President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    The problem is you can't preach both abstinence and condoms.
    Um... The problem is not that we can't teach both; but rather that we don't. It is negligent to not have both conversations. It is the only responsible thing to do.

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    I read the title and I already knew this was about George R. Bush. He has earned the title of an idiot, probably one of the few things he's ever earned in his whole life.

    It doesn't matter who against the republicans, they will demonized like they did with Bill Clinton, Hilliary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and now Obama. It's just their pattern, and the only way they can win an election.

    I can't vote for a republican this election and I probably never will be able to bring myself to vote for a party that supported an murdering idiot.

    He put his own interest ahead of Americas interest. To me that makes him guilty of treason. The punishment for treason is to be put to death. He deserves nothing less.

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    Before I start, I just want you to know that I respect you, Outsiders71. You are a participant, you have a point of view, and you argue it in the face of a lot of opposition. A movie critic once said that anything they write about movies is a pale accomplishment compared to the creation of even a bad movie. I appreciate those who are out there doing their thing, and fighting their fight, even if I disagree, over those who sit on the sidelines and do nothing. So please take this in that spirit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Are you anti-capital punishment? If so why is it OK to kill an innocent life but not OK to kill a monster who murders or commits hideous acts? I don't think of a blastocyst or embryo as a human life, so abortion is not the same. Do we really want to start this debate though?
    I'm anti-capital punishment, not because of the sanctity of human life, but because we have an imperfect judicial system, prone to bias, prejudice, and emotion. It puts innocent people on death row, many of whom have been exonerated. See the Innocence Project, which has freed many wrongfully convicted people. I think many people have forfeited their right to live with their actions, but we're just not good enough at discerning who they are.

    Shouldn't all options be on the table? (with respect to McCain being pro war)
    Yes. I am not a pacifist. War is necessary sometimes. However, the war in Iraq is the product of a deranged policy led by a mentally disturbed President. Just yesterday, former Press Secretary, Scott McClellan revealed what many of us already knew - Bush invaded Iraq because he wanted the legacy that only a "war President" can have. It was a sick campaign based on outright lies and propaganda. In illegal and immoral war. Yet McCain supports it.

    (in McCain supporting immunity for telcos)
    Yes because bankrupting the telecos for helping out the government in a time of desperation is the appropriate thing to do. Tell me did you make outgoing calls to known terrorist regions? Tell me has your privacy or anyone you know been effected?
    We have protections against illegal invasions of our privacy for darn good reason. The last President who decided he was above the law used mass surveillance like this to investigate political opponents. No doubt Bush has too, but regardless, he simply violated the Constitution. You can't do that, ever, no matter how right you think you are.

    We've had this debate already . (on McCain opposing gay marraige)
    Yep, don't want to rehash, just pointing out where McCain stands.

    As do the majority of this democratic country that was founded on the basis that there is a God.
    That's just a preposterous notion. This nation was founded in part to escape the official Church of England and the imposition of religion. We enshrine protection against religious tyranny into the Constitution. This nation was founded on the basis of FREEDOM. Freedom of and from religion. God is NOT in our Constitution, and that's on purpose. Some of the founding fathers, unclear on the concept, argued for the inclusion of God. They lost. Which is good! Having a secular government protects the ability of all of us to choose our religious path, whether atheist or fundamentalist.

    How is this war illegal compared to previous wars that we have engaged in that didn't result from someone attacking us first?
    It was illegal on many fronts. First, it was prosecuted based on lies - there was no evidence of WMDs, nor did the administration really care about that issue. Iraq didn't pose any imminent danger to us, was not a participant in 9/11, and didn't support Islamic terrorists. Hell, they were the most secular country in the region, and were the avowed enemy of al Qaeda, who were infuriated with Hussein's lack of Islamic rule. We've killed over 100,000 citizens of Iraq for nothing. The crimes against humanity are staggering in their scope, including using white phosphorous (a WMD) against human targets, another violation of international law that we've signed on to (like the Geneva Conventions that Bush's lackeys referred to as "quaint". McCain supports this invasion and occupation.

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    Hey Fryster, FYI, if McCain didn't seek Hagees endorsement, why did they release a statment where they "conceded it was probably a mistake to seek and accept the endorsement of televangelist John Hagee". He did seek it out.

    Meanwhile, let's look at some of the things he's said:

    "Well Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."

    "I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."

    "The whole purpose of the (Harry) Potter books is to desensitize readers and introduce them to the occult."

    On Catholicism, Hagee called the Catholic Church "The Great *****," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false cult system."

    On Judaism: "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people"

    and ominously, on Iran: "a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon (which will mean the death of most Jews, in his eyes) and the Second Coming of Christ."

    To me, these are worse than the Rev. Wright's comments. They demonize virtually the whole world outside of the fundamentalist evangelical Christians. They seem to gleefully anticipate war and confrontation in order to hasten Armageddon. This is a dangerous and deranged man.

    And the bad thing here is, the other guy, Parsley, is even worse than Hagee!

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    We have protections against illegal invasions of our privacy for darn good reason. The last President who decided he was above the law used mass surveillance like this to investigate political opponents. No doubt Bush has too, but regardless, he simply violated the Constitution. You can't do that, ever, no matter how right you think you are.
    pointing out a fact since violating the Constitution has come up....in all reality the Constitution hasnt really stopped any president from doing what they wanted since Lincoln.....you can argue that Lincoln did it for the betterment of the country but he still wiped his rear with the Constitution and tossed it in the trash.......
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    I haven't read everything everybody has said but...I just wanted to say that I think having the media and campaign managers focusing obsessively on every single word any candidate says is just BS. Democrat or Republican or Independent, they often misspeak because they are SO freakin' tired. They travel all the time and are constantly speaking before so many crowds. All 3 current candidates have said stupid things at one time or another from a dead-tired brain.

    The fact is Obama misspoke to some degree about his great uncle but essentially what he was trying to say was correct. Clinton has twice brought up the Kennedy assassination. So what?? I don't really care about these minor flubs. A momentary poor choice of wording has nothing to do with what a candidate plans to DO about the war, healthcare, illegal immigration, security, the economy, etc. if elected. I mean really...how much DOES it matter to a presidency which concentration camp Obama's great-uncle went to?? Or that Clinton stupidly mentioned Kennedy's death (at a rather sensitive time for the Kennedy family)? They'll be forgotten words once someone is in the White House.

    I DO care more if a candidate fabricates entire scenarios like Clinton's Bosnia tale or comes up with stupid ideas like cutting out the gas tax just to win votes. The Bosnia story wasn't just a mix up on a word or two. How in the world do you "forget" there was NOT a hail of bullets as you were debarking a plane? I DO care when a candidate says we might be in Iraq for another 100 years and we will never "admit defeat."

    I welcome Obama's youth, optimism and inexperience. What good did political experience do Bush? He and most other long-time policitians are just part of a political machine who cares nothing about "common folk." I think you can't get any worse than George W. Bush. He is rock bottom. And just plain long STUPID.

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