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    yes while they did say it was an individual right to keep and bear arms, those that opposed it stated that it was likely alright for cities to require trigger locks or ban handguns if other means were availible such as shotguns........the official vote is 5 to 4....that means the official vote with 2 judges apponted by Gore or Kerry could have made the official vote 3 to 6 which means it would not have mattered if all said in the opinion that the right to bear arms is an individual right, the DC ban on hand guns and requiring all firearms to be locked up or inoperable would have stood and be considered constitutional............
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    Ya know... I'll be the lone dissenter in this group of hobbyist friends. My opinion is that this particular amendment made far more sense, way back when, and not nearly as much sense in our society. Back then, there was far more reason to have guns. After all, there were no grocery stores and people had to hunt for food. They were also dealing with the British, Indians, and wild animals. Nowadays, the Brits are our friends and really, no foreign nation has given us guff, on our soil, in ~200 hundred years. Also, most people live in cities and the suburbs. We don't to worry about bears, wolves, etc....

    I won't go into how effective our police force is or how ethical our species is, relative to defending ouselves. That's not going to change. We will always have the idiots out there tp break in and steal.

    I don't think that the pros of having a gun outweigh the cons of accidents (6 year old killing 8 year old sibling) or heat of passion crimes (abused housewife that finally snaps) or P.O'd kid who kills annoying brother or parent.

    Hunting for sport? I'm not a hunter but I think that guns should be passed out and returned, like bowling shoes, when done.

    Let the heated debate begin!

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    It's not about honoring or dishonoring the constitution. Just like the Bible, there are those who want to follow it strictly and literally, then there are those who want to follow it with a modern and contextualized interpretation.

    The court holds some power over the President because of checks and balances. The Supreme Court is in the judicial branch, and the Presidency is in the Executive branch. The president also gets to appoint judges when an opportunity to do so arises. If the president had supreme power, he'd be a dictator and could do whatever he wants. The Constitution is the supreme power, no court or President. Your also forgetting that if enough people feel strongly enough about something (anything) we can change it. We can overthrow our own government if it does not serve us one day; the Constitution had planned that possibility since it already happened once. I do think that life terms are ridiculous. An analysis of the effectiveness and competency of the current Judges of the Supreme court should take place every so often instead of waiting until one retires, F's up or dies. As much as I want to plod the Liberal agenda onward, I don't think outing a Judge because one is conservative (or liberal if the President at the time is a conservative) would be OK :P Political ideologies aren't really grounds to call out incompetence, even though I may say so sometimes :P


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    ban handguns if other means were availible such as shotguns
    That's just stupid. Most women would never want to shoot a shotgun.

    As far as the issue of the votes, I've already said I know little about the supreme court and nothing about this issue except for what you have posted here.

    You said it was a 9-0 vote and I assumed that it was simply a 9-0 vote. To tell the truth I still don't understand it, but I do know George R.Bush is an idiot. Did I already say that, I can remember.

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    i agree Bush over all is an idiot.....however i contend that Kerry and Gore were bigger idiots......

    when i said that the 9-0 vote was for an individual right that means all said in the opinion that it is an individual right, however the official vote is 5-4 that means one vote would have found in favor of DC instead of Heller....

    as far as women not wanting to shoot a shotgun, what are you smoking? i know plenty of women that shoot shotguns, there is everything from 410's to 28 guages to 20 guages to 16 guages to 12 guages to 10 gueages....my wife has no issues with the 410's through 20 guages, a properly fitted 16 or 12 guage with appropriate loads she can shoot hell i dont bother with 10 guages, thats a dedicated goose gun and i dont hunt geese...besides personally i would rather habe a short rifle or shotgun for home defence than a handgun.....far easier to shoot a rifle or shotgun(with a stock) than a handgun under stress....

    Jim as far as guns not belonging in todays society.....if i call the cops, even living in town, i may have 10 minutes before they get there.....police departments respond AFTER something happens, they are very rarly there WHILE something is happening.....there is very much a place for firearms in our society....

    as far as handing out hunting weapons like bowling shoes, that comes from not knowing jack about firearms, just having one does not automatically qualify you to hunt in my book....you must practice, practice practice....i know individuals that send thousands of rounds down range every year in preperation for a handful of shots at game...im far from that level though i do put several hundred rounds down range every year.....also no one gun fits everyone....i cant shoot my wifes hunting rifle in a hunting situation cause it does not fit me, i can shoot it off a bench through using a towel or such between my shoulder and the rifle to extend the length of the stock....though my wife can make mine work it does not make for comfortable shooting for her cause the stock is way to long cause i have, as she puts it, monkey arms......

    i have used firearms to protect my dog and other pets from coyotes, rabid skunks, feral dogs and similar....have not had to use my guns to protect me or my family as of yet and hope i never do but there were a couple situations where i was quite glad i had a rifle in easy reach cause i was 20 miles away from the nearest police officer if the situation went any farther down hill....i have had a hand gun pointed at me with a guys hand on the trigger when i myself did not have a gun......once again prolly 20 or 30 miles from the nearest police officer, luckily i was able to talk myself out of that situation.........

    if you live somewhere you feel safe without a gun great, good for you....but be aware some of us know 911 will not always get a police officer to our door in time to stop bad things from happening, they will show up to try and catch the guy that has already hurt or killed me and my family........
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    as far as women not wanting to shoot a shotgun, what are you smoking? i know plenty of women that shoot shotguns, there is everything from 410's to 28 guages to 20 guages to 16 guages to 12 guages to 10 gueages....my wife has no issues with the 410's through 20 guages, a properly fitted 16 or 12 guage with appropriate loads she can shoot hell i dont bother with 10 guages, thats a dedicated goose gun and i dont hunt geese...besides personally i would rather habe a short rifle or shotgun for home defence than a handgun.....far easier to shoot a rifle or shotgun(with a stock) than a handgun under stress....
    I didn't say all women. I know a lot of women will and love shooting shotguns. My point is that there are some woman (like my wife) that'll never shoot a shotgun, and taking away that option of a hand gun for these woman and even some men is in my mind stupid.

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    I've lived in what was called the "inner city" of Buffalo, for ~20 years. Like any city of decent size, it is undafe to go out alone at night and people always lock their doors. There are numerous car alarms and other assorted things in place. I have never owned a gun or even shot one. You have me there! But then again, I've never needed a gun, either. Lucky?

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    The only problem with that tack is that, to couch the Constitution and the view of the Framers only in terms of what was envisioned two-hundred years ago, is to take away the view that the Consitution is a "living" document plastic enough to be relevant today. The further argument that the Second Amendment was intended only for organized militia is mostly a misunderstanding of the language then used -- and the Framers could never ever anticipate what a violent sewer D. C. ("da' Capitol") was to become . . .

    The number of handgun accidents is troublesome to be sure in a peaceful but statistically fairly irrelevent; for each egregious story of a child injured or killed, there is also an another account of how a violent intruder was pithed by a homeowner and his family protected . . .
    “Sì perché l'autorità dell'opinione di mille nelle scienze non val per una scintilla di ragione di un solo . . ."

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