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    very, very good news...............

    Answering a 127-year old constitutional question, the Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have a gun, at least in one’s home. The Court, splitting 5-4, struck down a District of Columbia ban on handgun possession.

    Justice Antonin Scalia’s opinion for the majority stressed that the Court was not casting doubt on long-standing bans on gun possession by felons or the mentally retarded, or laws barring guns from schools or government buildings, or laws putting conditions on gun sales.

    In District of Columbia v. Heller (07-290), the Court nullified two provisions of the city of Washington’s strict 1976 gun control law: a flat ban on possessing a gun in one’s home, and a requirement that any gun — except one kept at a business — must be unloaded and disassembled or have a trigger lock in place. The Court said it was not passing on a part of the law requiring that guns be licensed.
    Quoting the syllabus: The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditional lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

    link to the entire opinion, over 100 pages....ive got to work so i cant read it till tonight likely
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    link to the entire opinion, over 100 pages....ive got to work so i cant read it till tonight likely
    They could save a lot of paper if they actually used the entire page instead of just the middle.

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    I'm all for guns. I honestly don't care what kind of guns you or anyone else has. Any adult of sound mind should be able to have any kind of gun they want. Most people don't even hunt with them or use the good ones for protection, they target practice as a hobby and some just collect and don't even use them.

    That said, I also support vigorous controls. I support detailed background checks, no matter how long they make. I'd also support written exams, eye exams, etc. Not saying you have to be a good shot to pass the eye exam, but you should have legally good vision and no depth perception/other visual problems. I don't know if you need to do these things anyway (I've only shot a gun a hand full of times) but if you don't, then they should make it mandatory! I'd also support mandatory (for the minimalist of fees, not tax-payer supported of course) gun safety courses, like those hunter safety courses people have to take. If you're not willing to do that stuff, then I guess you didn't want that gun as much as you thought.

    I don't support a mandate that says only businesses can have loaded guns, and the rest must be unloaded and / or must have trigger locks. I'm not going to ask a robber to wait patiently while I load some bullets and unlock my gun (if I had my own gun lmao). My mom keeps a loaded hand gun in her purse and we have one in a drawer in our living room. Guns shouldn't be in a place children can get them PERIOD.

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    I agree with almost everything you said Clint.

    Of and thanks for the info about where your mom keeps her guns. Next time I in Ga and need a place to rob, I'll know where to grab the guns.

    Thanks man

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    have had a chance to read over parts....

    what i like:
    the desision is actually 9-0 infavor of it being a personal right...the 4 decenting votes all say its an individual right they are just complaining about how Scalia worded the opinion....also notable that the complaints are siting crime rates and nothing to do with an individual right...not to mention the decenting opinions are weak arguements at best

    it makes any outright gun ban unconstitutional

    it requires all new gun laws to go through strict scruitiny to decide weither the right of the individual is being taken away

    it flat out states that the second amendment has nothing to do with a militia and is very much the right of the individual

    itt says that just because that semi auto hand guns and the like werent around in 1780's when the constitution was written does not mean the constitution doesnt include them....just like free speech applies to telephones and the internet

    states and cities must now be "shall issue" states and cities, which means if your a law abiding citizen that is sane you can have a gun....the states and such are able to put in a screening process and require a permit but if you havent broken the law and are of sound mind they cant keep you from having them....

    what i dont like:

    Scalia’s opinion states that restrictions on "M-16's and the like" are likely ok which means to say that the 1983 ban on newly manufactured fully automatic machine guns being availible to the public is probably constitutional....that is how i read it anyway, unfortunatly i believe some ppl are going to say M-16 equals the semi auto AR-15 so its legal to ban the semi auto versions there of....i bet this issue will be infront of the supreme court within 10 years

    the desision just says all out bans are unconstitutional but doesnt say what kind of restrictions might be constitutional....though because this wasnt an issue in the case i guess im ok with them not addressing it cause that would likely be stepping beyond what their powers should be......the Heller DC case was about an outright ban and thats what the court addressed......im guessing a case on this will be infront of the courts with in 10-15years

    what will likely come about because of this:

    it will mean that ammo bans and heavy taxation of guns and ammo will be unconstitutional because it makes it very difficult for law abiding citizens from having a firearm to protect themselves in their own home....

    as much as i have issues with Bush, part of the reason for the way this desision went the way it did was because of the apointment of Alito and Thomas....had we had two justices appointed by Gore or Kerry its highly likely we would not have won this.....this fact is my number one concern about Obama....cause we are going to have more of these cases infront of the Supreme court in the coming years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I agree with almost everything you said Clint.

    Of and thanks for the info about where your mom keeps her guns. Next time I in Ga and need a place to rob, I'll know where to grab the guns.

    Thanks man
    No problem. I'm scared of my mom when she's not packin' heat; I can't imagine her pissed off enough to use a gun. Not sure if I'd want to be in a robber's shoes and deal with her :P


    I also don't care if they tax it heavily or not. I'm really rarely interested in fiscal issues, but I'd probably vote in favor of it rather than not vote on it. I'd be very blase about it, though. They could use the money to support gun education/control. Banning guns doesn't stop the bad people from getting them, just like banning drugs doesn't stop the meth dealers and cokeheads. People who want to ban guns outright don't seem to grasp the concept that gangsters and criminals don't follow the law in the first place and are going to purchase them via the black market. Oh wait, silly me. That's what they're already doing....

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    as much as i have issues with Bush, part of the reason for the way this desision went the way it did was because of the apointment of Alito and Thomas....had we had two justices appointed by Gore or Kerry its highly likely we would not have won this.....this fact is my number one concern about Obama....cause we are going to have more of these cases infront of the Supreme court in the coming years
    Let's just pretend that a democrate had elected the two new justices. Lets also pretend that they were extremely anti gun and will vote against any pro gun laws.

    the desision is actually 9-0 infavor of it being a personal right..
    If the two new justices had voted against this that would have made it 7-2 in favor.

    That makes the following statement wrong.

    had we had two justices appointed by Gore or Kerry its highly likely we would not have won this...
    Ok I don't know much about the supreme court, but I'm pretty sure that there are some current justices that were appointed by Clinton. Apparently since the vote was 9-0 the justices , that was appointed by Clinton, voted for this too.

    This shows that most democrates are not anti-gun, they are in favor of keeping guns in the hands of law abiding and responsible people. Which that don't explain how I have 5 legally bought guns. LOL

    Of course there are some extreme people that think that guns should be completely banned. There are also people that aliens visit them every night. I believe that both are idiots but still way smarter than our president George R.Bush.

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    Yeah, it was good news but not too terribly so. It was a very close decision by a bunch of lifers on whether to honor the Consitution and Second Ammendment rights; that a court holds power that not even a president can wield is never good news . . .


    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    link to the entire opinion, over 100 pages....ive got to work so i cant read it till tonight likely
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