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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant View Post
    2010=$5
    2012=$6
    2014=$7
    2016=$8
    2018=$9
    2020=$10
    These numbers have no bearing on reality because gas prices are hardly a linear equation.

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    There is no easy way to fix fossil fuel car problems until the eletrical energy is converted.
    And there is no inspiration to work on more effecient energy sources with cheap alternatives. Gas has always been much, much higher in Europe and they phenomenal public transit systems (by comparison), people walk everywhere, etc. In my opinion it's like the whole global warming debate: whether or not we are significantly altering the earthen environment, people are still becoming better inhabitants by being more eco-friendly. The same is true of high gas prices; regardless of if the gas prices drop significantly because of legislation, world peace, or whatever, we're still making progress towards a better end.

    I agree with most of what Obregon is saying.

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    again, you still are ignoring the future. The "better end" you were talking about can only happen if we activly try to make things better for everyone, but that won't happen because people are self richous horribly selfish creatures that should have never existed.
    BTW the reason we NEED better resourses is because if everyone had an american mild class lifestyle it would take 4 earths to support! The only thing I see in the future in enviromental and human suffering. I have no faith in human nature.

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    What are you doing?

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    me? Um, well stating my belief the normal human natture is built on selfishness. I don't mean to sound like I am insulting anyone, or flaming, Ithink it may sound like that because I am expressing a negitive view or the human species.

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    Ant, believe it or not selfishness is actually the best possible thing anyone can imagine. Heres why:
    Its not the selfish people who get in the way, its the kind people. If everyone were greedy, then they wouldn't need anyone to be caring for them because they would have hogged all of their resources for themselves. Makes sense yes? It all balances out. People like you who try to fight the system of greedyness are in fact ruining our soceity by making yourselves suffer by giving to others, which makes greedy people look bad. Don't try to mess with human nature. Its there for a reason.
    Ant, I think you could get along quite nicely with the creatures in my avatar. j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant View Post
    again, you still are ignoring the future. The "better end" you were talking about can only happen if we activly try to make things better for everyone, but that won't happen because people are self richous horribly selfish creatures that should have never existed.
    No, I'm not. Tell me about the advances that have occurred in automobile hybrid technology in the past five years? I can't even fathom how someone can think that we aren't "actively try[ing] to make things better." It's true, hybrid technology was ramping up before the oil/gas "crisis," but the way things are only helps push that cause. Any car manufacturer who produces a hybrid just got exponentially more sales this year and every year from here on out. Every manufacturer who produces Hummers saw a dramatic decrease in sales this year. My whole point about the "better end" was that maybe the increased alternative fuel was only coincidentally coincided with high oil prices; BUT, it certainly isn't slowing down the research toward a more sustainable future. In fact, it's most likely speeding it up.

    The more people who want reliable, fuel efficient cars, the more companies are going to want to cater to that market. That market is increasing everyday because people are complaining about gas prices. In five, ten, or however many years, when hybrid cars are more affordable and more common than gas-only cars; don't you think that is better than what we have currently? Capitalism at it's finest, I suppose. High gas prices are only a catalyst for getting to that end, faster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ant View Post
    BTW the reason we NEED better resourses is because if everyone had an american mild class lifestyle it would take 4 earths to support!
    The world's population has doubled every 35 years, and it's not because of low gas prices, driving Hummer's, and watching plasma screen TVs.

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    The only thing I see in the future in enviromental and human suffering. I have no faith in human nature.
    Well that's your problem... We can either sit around and complain, or we can empower ourselves to take advantage of the opportunities we have to make a more sustainable future (and yes, still complain at the water fountain at work). You really have to look longterm here. Yes, gas prices suck, today. But it won't matter when we're all flying around with our solar powered personal jet packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nepenthusiast View Post
    Ant, believe it or not selfishness is actually the best possible thing anyone can imagine. Heres why:
    Its not the selfish people who get in the way, its the kind people. If everyone were greedy, then they wouldn't need anyone to be caring for them because they would have hogged all of their resources for themselves. Makes sense yes? It all balances out. People like you who try to fight the system of greedyness are in fact ruining our soceity by making yourselves suffer by giving to others, which makes greedy people look bad. Don't try to mess with human nature. Its there for a reason.
    Ant, I think you could get along quite nicely with the creatures in my avatar. j/k
    Um, That completely confuses me. If everyone were greedy poor people would be screwed because their are different levels of knowledge. If someone figures out how to cheat people out of money they would and basically make a entire world of trickery and theivery.


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    No, I'm not. Tell me about the advances that have occurred in automobile hybrid technology in the past five years? I can't even fathom how someone can think that we aren't "actively try[ing] to make things better." It's true, hybrid technology was ramping up before the oil/gas "crisis," but the way things are only helps push that cause. Any car manufacturer who produces a hybrid just got exponentially more sales this year and every year from here on out. Every manufacturer who produces Hummers saw a dramatic decrease in sales this year. My whole point about the "better end" was that maybe the increased alternative fuel was only coincidentally coincided with high oil prices; BUT, it certainly isn't slowing down the research toward a more sustainable future. In fact, it's most likely speeding it up.

    The more people who want reliable, fuel efficient cars, the more companies are going to want to cater to that market. That market is increasing everyday because people are complaining about gas prices. In five, ten, or however many years, when hybrid cars are more affordable and more common than gas-only cars; don't you think that is better than what we have currently? Capitalism at it's finest, I suppose. High gas prices are only a catalyst for getting to that end, faster.
    Um, the human nature is only conserned with their lives witch is supported by money. People only care about themselves and usually only want their lives to be better so they want to save their money to make their lives better. The cleaner resourse end is all just an effect that is caused by the want for cheeper energy.


    Quote Originally Posted by xvart
    Well that's your problem... We can either sit around and complain, or we can empower ourselves to take advantage of the opportunities we have to make a more sustainable future (and yes, still complain at the water fountain at work). You really have to look longterm here. Yes, gas prices suck, today. But it won't matter when we're all flying around with our solar powered personal jet packs.
    Last time I checked, one person doesn't change the entire countries transportation alone. And if they don't complain (debating and express their views) no one else well understand what you think and nothing will happen. Like it or not complaining is nessecary to convince others to act as well.
    Last edited by Ant; 07-01-2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason: fixed quote

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