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    Quote Originally Posted by xvart View Post
    But the philosophical question here is what makes a man a man and what makes a woman a woman? I remember this big discussion we had in Women's Studies about the difference between someone's "sex" and "gender." Sex being physical body parts and gender being mental feelings of affiliation.

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    "Feelings" and "philosophical questions" has nothing to do with the FACT that XY chromosomes = MALE and XX chromosomes = FEMALE, it's just that simple! Just basic biology, that's all. Behavior, and orientation is something else. Having said that, there should be some consideration to those who have some biological twist that derails their biological destiny, it happens, they deserve to live just as the rest of us, and don't really threaten anyone in any way. - Rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsivertsen View Post
    "Feelings" and "philosophical questions" has nothing to do with the FACT that XY chromosomes = MALE and XX chromosomes = FEMALE, it's just that simple! Just basic biology, that's all. Behavior, and orientation is something else. - Rich
    Agreed. If the person still has the XY chromosomes, that still means that he's still a male. It's in every single nucleus of every single cell.
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    You all are aware that there are XY women and XX men, right? It's common, due to a transposition that relocated the SRY gene (which triggers male growth) to the X and off the Y.

    Furthermore, think more in depth: X and Y don't mean squat. It's just that the Y carries the SRY gene, which sets of a developmental sequence leading, usually, to maleness. But development is tricky - mutations and environmental factors can alter it. Studies of Trans individuals have revealed that, whatever their chromosomes, their brains are biologically of the gender they identify with, likely due to developmental anomaly that sent their bodies in one direction, but their brains in another (yes, it's very possible - development involved complex interactions of dozens or hundreds of genes that vary in both time and anatomical space).

    So, if an individual, due to developmental anomaly, possessed the body of male but the mind of a female (or vice versa), what are they? Given that the brain is what gives us personality, memory, thought, behavior, and generally everything that makes us what we are, I say the brain is the deciding factor.

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    Oh, I think I see where you're going. And yes, Biology isn't really simple, but what I said is basic biology, but yet it's still complex. The human body is just an amazing thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capensis View Post
    The human body is just an amazing thing.
    And the human mind is even more amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xvart View Post
    And the human mind is even more amazing.

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    Very true.
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    Mokele makes good points. Back in 2000 or 2004, the IOC finally quit its genetic testing of female athletes, because it finally listened to the experts who said the subject is too complex to be reduced to a simple biochemical M or F.
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    Now where is Clint in this thread ??

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