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    I didnt answer your question because I dont have an answer, I have no idea I think it would require wayyyy more experience and knowledge than I could possibly have in more field than I even care to mention to diagnose that problem, and even then I dont see how someone could find a "100% correct" answer... I would never pretend to have that answer I'm not nearly that dense. haha

    either way we agree on what needs to be done, and where the focus needs to be for the most part, I just think we've already agreed that slavery doesn't directly affect families of today... I know what you said in your counterarguments and so I know you believe that it subversively does... but skipping that for a second, bad neighborhoods ARE a product of poverty, I just dont understand your statement about how they didnt have hundreds of years to accumulate wealth... we're not running our country based upon family names and heritage and whatnot, my families past and wealth has litle to do with my direct families wealth, if we were rolling in slave earned money a hundred years ago we sure as hell arent anymore, so how can you claim that we've built that money up? we dont have a WHITE MANS vault where we keep all of our slave money.... they WERE at a disadvantage... but our country should be at a level where we are intelligent enough to understand what we need to do, I think the problem that we are both beating around isnt a matter of race at this point its a matter of poverty and bad education. there are more demographics than just african americans involved. its the poor community in general. Fixing that isnt by handing out things to a certain demographic that makes up a large portion of the poor community. its fixing the poor community as a whole. through improving neighborhoods and fixing our freaking schools, creating outreach programs and etc. its not just about the african americans, and it sure as hell isnt just about slavery. whether or not it was at some point or another is irrelevent now.

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    Here we go. This says it better than I ever could.


    http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfne...8,42305,.shtml

    It's not JUST AA's that are at a disadvantage, but that's the subject at hand.




    I asked a friend who's black what he thought.... I got this for an answer:

    "ok...well to make a long story short, blk ppl in general have done this injustice to themselves, many of them (not us, b/c I don't include myself in this statement) are lazy and have no drive thus they experience all their hardship of their own accord"



    I'm shocked. I didn't know what to say.

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    I think most of the current problem arose during my parents' lifetime, long after slavery. Many of the worst problems arose due to racist lending and real estate practices and some of those were government-sanctioned. Black families were effectively shut out of better neighborhoods and it's mind-boggling to consider the rate of return my grandparents' and parents' generations received by getting into the suburban real estate market when they did. The huge inflation in real estate prices is ending up almost exclusively in white pockets and that provides all kinds of advantages.
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    I can see the virulent fear of the white christian gunslingers in videos like this. I really thought the public had progressed even if the system hasn't.

    I've been shocked how far Obama's gotten and I'm more excited to see the outcome of this election than any other so far. As his wife said, "I'm finally proud of my country!" I was a bit choked up when I found out he got the nomination, and I'm an anarchist! I've seen some of the worst this country has to offer humanity and maybe with Obama something can get done about this and get rid of these self serving neo-conservative christian *******s.

    What I haven't been liking is Obamas backsliding, like agreeing with the warrantless wiretapping. When will the government be putting their cameras in my crapper? We'd better keep tabs, you never know, I may litterally be "passing" orders!

    As far as him being a muslim, so F'in what? Unlike the christains, I'm not at all afraid of other peoples faith, skin color or sexual orientation (gasp) whatever it may be. I'm much more afraid of drunken white guys with guns and "god on their side" believing they have a right to run amok in the world changing peoples faith, skin color or sexual orientation. I work with 30% muslims, my dad lives in the largest muslim Somali population of the USA, we voted in the 1st muslim senator here in MN Keith Ellison. However, Obama's sadly, a christian, I guess I can over look it this one time, just to see a real leader in Amerikkka. Maybe I'll even quit spelling that way! As far as his Rev. Wright, I didn't hear ANYTHING that I didn't agree with from the segments they played on the news, Guess that makes me a Black Liberation fighter/sympathizer, and I'm as white as a lilly!

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    What's up with the faith-based initiatives? I feel that either I've been lied to, or he's lying to them to get their votes. Politicians always do this. His base is getting pissed.

    Sadly he's a Christian? I mean... sadly he's so doing this faith-based initiative stuff but not sadly he's a Christian....I mean you just said you're not at all afraid of other people's faiths, so why would you say that lol? Say one or the other but saying both is kind of contradictory. Personally I've got like a Christian-phobia thing going on... working on that and trying to be tolerant and not so judgmental and presumptuous. If someone says they're a Christian and moderate, I immediately think 'Bill O'Reilly" or "Jerry Falwell" for some reason.

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    "I'm an anarchist! " <--- do you really understand that what that entails? becuase I think most "anarchists" dont understand that one, I only mention it because I used to think I was too and I had many friends who tried to do it with as much conviction possible... I'm just sayings its generally a more daunting task than you really understand.


    ok so check this out....

    "I'm much more afraid of drunken white guys with guns and "god on their side"

    ........ okay now this.....

    "I'm not at all afraid of other peoples faith, skin color or sexual orientation"


    you know that seems odd at the very least....


    okay one more time...

    "However, Obama's sadly, a christian, I guess I can over look it this one time, just to see a real leader in Amerikkka."

    well.... lets think... your going to overlook his being a christian? well... I thought that didnt matter to you?


    Amerikkka? .... really now? thats a very mature way of approaching the situation. good job?

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    That flag pin stuff just eats my shorts. It's a stupid flag pin that politicians have associated with how big of a patriot someone is. Just because you don't wear a flag pin during public appearances does not make you less of a patriot. In fact, in my opinion, I would rather see someone who doesn't wear one simply because it's a fad, and a stupid one at that. Judging someone's commitment to their country or their patriotism by the frequency of flag pin wearing is like judging the world's fastest runner by the number of Nike swooshes someone is wearing.

    I don't think Obama forgot to wear it ever. I think he only wears it sometimes and sometimes he doesn't; AND, I think that only started when he started catch superficial crap from the superficial politicians trying to scorn him. I think anyone that judges a politician by the frequency of flag pin wearing is superficial and doesn't have a good grasp of what civic duty means.

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    if people expect me to vote for someone because he/she is black they have to be worth voting for
    Nobody is expecting you to vote for someone because of his or her skin color. In fact, I think we all are against that mindset.

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    However, Obama's sadly, a christian, I guess I can over look it this one time, just to see a real leader in Amerikkka.
    Sarcasm. Do you really think I was "passing orders" too man? lol I was just caught up in the typing moment, I'm not running for office here so I'm allowed to make any off-the wall crazy leftist statments I want!

    Perhaps I should have said neo-cons and not "christians", my whole point being it doesn't matter and if it were up to me I would never know what anyone else's religion is. The subject would never come up in a conversation between me and another person. As far as I'm concerned don't ask, don't tell. Look what worrying about what other people's religion is has done to mankind.

    It's the right-wingers who (in this country) just happen to be white christian extremists who insist it matters and should be "fixed" if it doesn't fit with their worldview. If I were living in Iran I'd be rallying against the presiding Caliphate, I'm just this kind of person. If these people were able to live and let live I certainly wouldn't be complaining in the first place. If they simply prayed and went on their way like the Somalis and whoever else, what would I care? It's because these type of christians are so insistent that their ways be followed by the rest of the world, that their ways become laws in the country that I live in, that they leave a foul taste in my mouth. If I have one obvious prejudice I guess it's against these oppresive types of people. I don't see how that's bad though, wanting an even playing field for everyone where everyone's views are valid so long as they do not impinge on the validity of the views of others.
    Of course a "normal" christian like Obama doesn't threaten my sense of well being, he's not one of the fundamentalist neo-cons who's "out to shape the world".

    Falwells dead - long live Falwell!

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