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    Quote Originally Posted by ilbasso View Post
    as an avid knife carrier (even though I haven't been carrying one lately), I will say that it is a nice tool and somewhat comforting in shaky situations, but in this situation I would advise AGAINST pulling one. A stun gun is readily available and more effective, but you're in LA-just babble something at him in spanish like you don't understand him and move on!

    Ultimately, yes it was stupid to resist but I might have done the same after assessing the situation if I thought that he was bluffing. Maybe a swift kick in the package. It may be a low blow, but you do what you need to in this situation to live.
    It is NOT stupid to resist. The whole notion that complying with somebody's demands means you won't get hurt is BULL----. Tell that to any number of women that did and were raped or wound up dead or anybody else that's been beaten or killed while offering no resistance.

    And tazers are very expensive. The inexpensive ones require you to get into punching range of a person to use them. PEPPERSPRAY is seriously the best choice for your average person. It's cheap, easy to conceal, and has decent range.

    Hose them down with pepperspray, egress to safety, and call the police (in that order! ). That is your best bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien1099 View Post
    It is NOT stupid to resist. The whole notion that complying with somebody's demands means you won't get hurt is BULL----. Tell that to any number of women that did and were raped or wound up dead or anybody else that's been beaten or killed while offering no resistance.

    And tazers are very expensive. The inexpensive ones require you to get into punching range of a person to use them. PEPPERSPRAY is seriously the best choice for your average person. It's cheap, easy to conceal, and has decent range.

    Hose them down with pepperspray, egress to safety, and call the police. Those are your best options.

    depends on the circumstances. While your action movie scenario of pulling a gun while dialing 911 sounds great, upper couldn't do that in this situation. You need to assess each situation as it unfolds. I think that he mostly did the right thing though.

    There are wonderfully sneaky ways of hiding pepper spray and stun guns these days. Google self defense products and you'll see what all they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilbasso View Post
    depends on the circumstances. While your action movie scenario of pulling a gun while dialing 911 sounds great, upper couldn't do that in this situation. You need to assess each situation as it unfolds. I think that he mostly did the right thing though.

    There are wonderfully sneaky ways of hiding pepper spray and stun guns these days. Google self defense products and you'll see what all they have.
    Did you actually read and comprehend my post?

    It was said mostly in jest and I spelled out more clearly the legal ramifications and what a good course of action would be to defend yourself below that. And after that I specifically said to get FOX Labs pepperspray because it was easy to conceal and perfect for the average person. Please reread. So it looks like you're refuting what I said and then basically repeating what I said as your own advice. The guy lives in CA, so I automatically know that unless he's willing to break the law, he's not going to be carrying a gun since he will not be able to obtain a concealed weapons permit there. That's why I suggested pepperspray, but EVERYBODY should have pepperspray. Nevermind that he's 16. I don't seriously expect him to carry a gun given his age and state of residence.

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    I've been in his situation before only I was actually attacked, so I know what it's like. I was returning some books to the library and was actually right around his age. It was one aggressor but he had 5-6 other people with them. I know what it's like. I've been there and actually got a chipped tooth out of it. Take your personal safety/responsibility seriously. Always maintain situational awareness and please try to have some means to defend yourself. It could have been a lot worse.

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    First of all, I'm glad you're ok. There are some just plain rotten people in this world, and that can't be helped.

    Now for my view on the subject. An ex-police chief for Ohio State University came to my high school years ago to tell us about safety at college. Being Ohio State, and having his position, I took his word as fairly credible. He said a few interesting things, and while I do not have the actual statistics, it is still fairly interesting.

    1. Crooks look for people who look like easy victims. The first step not avoiding incidents is to not look vulnerable. Just saying you don't have the time and walking along would probably suffice in this situation.

    2. Even if he has a gun, what are the real odds that he would shoot you? Would he really shoot to kill over a small electronic device? People as such are just using the weapon for intimidation. Their real weapon is fright, and the fact that you fear for your life. Plus, guns are noisy, and a dead give away to a crime scene.

    So...

    If he does indeed have a gun, this office said your best bet it to just turn and run as fast as you can. First of all, it is something the assailant isn't expecting. At this point, he must decide if he will just leave you alone (probably the case), or, if he will attempt to shoot you. This will probably take him a few moments to decide. Every second he uses making this decision, you are another step away. Every step you take, makes you a harder target to hit.

    If he does decide to shoot at you, you must consider.
    a. He has probably had no formal firearm training, and even under the best conditions is a poor shot.
    b. He is undoubtedly nervous, again lowering his accuracy, concentration, and capability to use the weapon.
    c. The target (you) is constantly moving away. Moving target, harder to hit accurately
    d. If he does manage to hit you, the shot (according to this police officer) is very unlikely to kill you. Supposedly there are relatively few areas that mean instant death from a bullet, comparatively speaking. If you do manage to get hit, it will most likely be somewhere that is not fatal. Also, supposedly, gunshot wounds are fairly simple to treat, and although very painful, are most often an outpatient procedure.

    Like I said, this all came from this police officer, and he had all sorts of statistics to back it up. i.e. Accuracy of hitting a moving target at 50 feet etc. etc. I perceived him as a reliable source because of his years of working in a field where he had experience such situations and was trained in handling them. I found it extremely interesting and helpful. Although I have never been in said situation, and hope to never be, I plan on keeping his words with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyJones View Post
    First of all, I'm glad you're ok. There are some just plain rotten people in this world, and that can't be helped.

    Now for my view on the subject. An ex-police chief for Ohio State University came to my high school years ago to tell us about safety at college. Being Ohio State, and having his position, I took his word as fairly credible. He said a few interesting things, and while I do not have the actual statistics, it is still fairly interesting.

    1. Crooks look for people who look like easy victims. The first step not avoiding incidents is to not look vulnerable. Just saying you don't have the time and walking along would probably suffice in this situation.

    2. Even if he has a gun, what are the real odds that he would shoot you? Would he really shoot to kill over a small electronic device? People as such are just using the weapon for intimidation. Their real weapon is fright, and the fact that you fear for your life. Plus, guns are noisy, and a dead give away to a crime scene.

    So...

    If he does indeed have a gun, this office said your best bet it to just turn and run as fast as you can. First of all, it is something the assailant isn't expecting. At this point, he must decide if he will just leave you alone (probably the case), or, if he will attempt to shoot you. This will probably take him a few moments to decide. Every second he uses making this decision, you are another step away. Every step you take, makes you a harder target to hit.

    If he does decide to shoot at you, you must consider.
    a. He has probably had no formal firearm training, and even under the best conditions is a poor shot.
    b. He is undoubtedly nervous, again lowering his accuracy, concentration, and capability to use the weapon.
    c. The target (you) is constantly moving away. Moving target, harder to hit accurately
    d. If he does manage to hit you, the shot (according to this police officer) is very unlikely to kill you. Supposedly there are relatively few areas that mean instant death from a bullet, comparatively speaking. If you do manage to get hit, it will most likely be somewhere that is not fatal. Also, supposedly, gunshot wounds are fairly simple to treat, and although very painful, are most often an outpatient procedure.

    Like I said, this all came from this police officer, and he had all sorts of statistics to back it up. i.e. Accuracy of hitting a moving target at 50 feet etc. etc. I perceived him as a reliable source because of his years of working in a field where he had experience such situations and was trained in handling them. I found it extremely interesting and helpful. Although I have never been in said situation, and hope to never be, I plan on keeping his words with me.
    Pretty good insight/advice if you find yourself in a situation where you are unable to defend yourself. The running thing reminds me, if anybody ever tries to get you into a vehicle, even if they have a gun pointed at you or whatever, do whatever is in your power to resist and flee. It never ends well for the person that is being kidnapped. At least if you run you have a chance. At least that policeman didn't advocate curling up into a ball while being victimized like a chief in England did.

    Anyway, I still recommend carrying pepperspray at all times.

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    Oyes, a good friend of mine is an RCMP officer, he worked several years as an undercover vice Narc

    He SWEARS by the "run away" thing, he said statistically that your best chance of avoiding injury is that course of action (even if you DO have say a knife or some kind of martial arts training)

    And yeah, even tho I live in a pretty mellow town, there's "bad guys" around- I usually don't have trouble since I am a pretty rough lookin fellow, but I don't respond to shifty lookin folks trying to engage me in conversation.

    And I HAVE beaten a few folks RIGHT down for trying to pull crap on me. I might look skinny but I know enough martial arts to mess a (stupid and stoned, usually) person up REAL bad REAL fast
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    how about if he has a gun, you run away and he follows you....?
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    then you incorporate the zig-zag and try to run faster.

    a LOT of times, people with guns are probably NOT going to use them- can't count on that but it's borne out by statistics too.

    Being a vice Narc going on actual lightning raids and stuff, my buddy has pulled a gun on a LOT of folks who were similarly (or MUCH better) armed. Granted he was usually part of a squad of a dozen or more heavily armed, highly trained dudes, but it takes a special amount of certainty to actually pull the trigger, especially when the possible gain is potentially a couple of dollars.

    He downright INSISTS that the highest survival rate in a situation with an unarmed person vs. a person with a gun is produced by just running the hell away, no ifs ands or buts.

    And he is NOT a "roid rage" big-**** tough guy either, he is one of the most gentle, friendliest guys I know.

    OH and as to the gangs- a friend of mine is CSI in Bakersfield CA , Kern County but since he's a specialist he deals with a large range, all the way into L.A.

    The cops are somewhat afraid of the gangs in a weird way, they are VERY careful about having certain types of interaction with them. Since he is CSI tho, my buddy is pretty safe, tho just wearing the uniform in the wrong place is not advisable without back-up and heavy arms

    I am glad you are safe tho, forgot that in my first post.

    Seriously tho, running away at top speed is the best option, yer bound to run past a good samaritan OR a cop before anything happens, and if you DO get winged, you're actually doing a service by giving them one more "strike" before they're OUT- sounds goofy but it's true, and as someone else posted, a killing shot on a running zig-zaggin person is NOT too likely- one shot will get people looking, so trying to actually finish the job after a few misses, the chances of the situation continuing go WAY down second by second
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