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    See "Snake Oil" and "Placebo Effect".

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    Thanks feedme for the info. I remember seeing William Burroughs' home made model of this was a large black paper tube full of holes with a lamp inside spining on a phonograph turn table. I've been fascinated ever since I read about the possible effects of it.

    I went to the very 1st Lollapalloosa in 1991 or so but it was all about genital piercings at the time, modern primitives seemed to be just coming out.

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    When I was in college in the late 90's I came out to CA on vacation visiting a friend in the LA area. We were at city walk and they had this relaxation light spa that had tables to lay on and these headphones and light goggles. It was a neat experience for $10, but not sure if is worth $150 unless you plan on supplementing it with other mind altering substances. I imagine it might be very interesting then.
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    Sharper Image sold an similar device "InnerQuest" back in the early 90s:

    FindArticles - Unapproved 'brain wave' devices condemned after seizure reports
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    You might as well go buy some kinoki foot pads. They claim to draw toxins out of your body through your foot. But if you run the pads under water they turn black. Sweaty feet will do the same thing to the pads! Saw it on a tv special.

    If it has any effects it's probably the "placebo effect" working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feedme View Post
    When I was in college in the late 90's I came out to CA on vacation visiting a friend in the LA area. We were at city walk and they had this relaxation light spa that had tables to lay on and these headphones and light goggles. It was a neat experience for $10, but not sure if is worth $150 unless you plan on supplementing it with other mind altering substances. I imagine it might be very interesting then.
    funny how i go to universal citywalk every week and never been in that store, i've seen it, the people told me to come in, but i never went in.
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    I haven't been to a doctor since I was 12 and I'll be 33 before long.
    Thats great, because if you feel fine there cant be any problem, right? Checkups every decade or so? Pffftt
    that makes no logic

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    The Chinese have about 5000 more years of medical history than Western techniques]
    True(ish). I call bullocks on 5k years, but regardless, length doesn't equate with quality and being right.

    and were doing surgery on fully anesthetized patients when our ancestors were still pillaging their neighbors.
    False false false! You honestly couldn't be more wrong! You're seriously staking a claim that the Chinese, who have been writing for thousands of years, were doing REAL surgery, with iron age tools (if that) before anyone even knew what ether (the first anesthetic) was....and NO ONE wrote that down? I doubt that 100%. Prove it to me, because if you do, you'll be the first person to lend backing to such a claim. Until then, I'm calling shenanigans (because it is)

    "On November 18, 1846, the Boston Medical and Surgical Journal published an article by Dr. Henry J. Bigelow (1818-1890), a young surgeon at the Massachusetts General Hospital. During the previous month Bigelow had witnessed four operations in which Boston dentist William Thomas Green Morton administered ether to relieve the pain of surgeries performed by Drs. John Collins Warren and George Hayward. "
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    Several people began using anesthesia (a substance that produces loss of sensation with or without loss of consciousness) about the same time, in the 1840s. In 1844, dentist Horace Wells administered nitrous oxide (also known as laughing gas), which allowed him to pull teeth from unconscious patients. Crawford Williamson Long (1815–1878), a physician, used a chemical called ether as an anesthesia several times before giving a public demonstration in 1846 and publishing his findings in 1849."

    Look up the history of anesthesia anywhere. It was "invented" (or discovered rather) in AMERICA after the Civil War.
    Does some "Chinese medicine" work? Sure it does, but the percentage is so low, that it is considered by all worthwhile people who know medicine to be a "folk" belief. Are people researching it? Sure, because it's natural and therefore cheap. Saying that it's true because "there's research being done on it" is a very weak "proof". It's been around a lot longer than Western i.e. real medicine, so if it all (or mostly all) worked, we wouldn't have big pharma, etc. You can disagree, but you can't prove that modern medicine, and therefore medicine that actually works, isn't at least majority wise, America after the 1840s. We may not have the best health care system, but we have the best doctors and pharma (competing with Germany) on the planet.

    The only noteworthy things to ever come out of China are the compass and the basis for algebra, which Greece also did before/during that time (which the Arabs ripped off wholesale from both, but that's a different story). Nothing decent has come out of China in 1400 years. With that in mind, let me tell you..."Chinese medicine" is soooooo ahead of what we've been doing, though it hasn't changed in 2k years, and doesn't work. I don't know anyone's background here, what you know, what you believe, etc....but if you're not a doctor, or AT LEAST in med school actively learning about this stuff for 9 hours minimum a day 5 days a week, for the next 6 years minimum, shut your mouth about medicine, because you don't know jack. Period. Thinking you know doesn't = knowing. I love hearing people talk about how "doctors don't know anything". Yeah, they only went to school (including college) for a minimum of 10 years...you work a McDonald's and maybe graduated highschool....BUT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT MEDICINE THAN THEY DO!!!!!!!! As Arnold said...."Let's get serious". I know that sounds pretty arrogant, but it's the truth. I hold my tongue on topics I really don't know anything about..or at the very least give a disclaimer.

    The whole not being to a doctor in 21 years thing....some people scoot by with that...most just die. How many teeth do you have left? Lol.
    But seriously, continue to not see doctors because you don't think you need to, make it past 50 with no major problems, then we'll talk.
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