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    Rattler, are other people's daughter's pregnancies relevant to her stance on sex education? I'd venture to say yes. Abstinence only programs cause MORE unwanted teenage pregnancy. Her daughter is a symbol of that failed, ignorant policy - I'd venture to guess that her pregnancy was not wanted at the time. Now I fear the couple is being forced to marry to further assuage the religious right.

    Palin is a disastrous VP choice, with almost no relevant experience. Her state has a total population below that of Albuquerque, our 60th largest city. Nobody had heard of her, nobody mentioned her as a choice, and the McCain camp didn't begin vetting her till the day before the announcement. That's just bad judgment.

    And the facts are:
    - She called for book banning in her libraries and tried to fire the librarian who resisted.
    - Is under official investigation in trooper-gate, and NOT by Democratic operatives
    - Supports teaching creationism in schools, which his just plain ignorant.
    - Staunchly Anti-abortion
    - Anti-environment, pro drilling.
    - Had associations with a secessionist party which claims she was a member. Her husband was a member till 2002.
    - Has extensive pork spending on her brief record, and despite dishonest claims to the contrary, was a big supporter of the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska up till it became a national disgrace.

    She is the pick of a desperate candidate, and it's not going well. I stand by my prediction she's off the ticket shortly.

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    and i stand by my stance yah wanna make a bet on weither she stays on the ticket?

    handing out condoms to your kids can still make yah wind up with a grandkid.....it aint an issue....teenagers are going to be teenagers......i have a teenage daughter.....went through school with teenage sisters.......was a teenager myself......90% of what parents say goes in one ear and out the other.......most parents preach to their kids abstinence is better.....very small percentage listen........besides i believe it is the PARENTS job and no none elses job to teach sex ed to your kids........sure in the hell shouldnt be left up to the schools.....thats pure laziness on the parent part.......

    And the facts are:
    - She called for book banning in her libraries and tried to fire the librarian who resisted.
    have not read up on this will look into it more tonight

    - Is under official investigation in trooper-gate, and NOT by Democratic operatives
    as it should be but they are making a mountain out of a mole hill

    - Supports teaching creationism in schools, which his just plain ignorant.
    so long as evolution is taught side by side i dont care, will encourage more critical thinking in the kids
    - Staunchly Anti-abortion
    so? i dont have a problem with this....McCain says he wants to revoke Row versus Wade which i agree with....McCain thinks its a state issue, not a federal one.....he aint looking to change the law in Cali or whatever.....just taking an unconstitutional ruling off the books as it should be
    - Anti-environment, pro drilling.
    these arent mutually exclusive, im pro drilling.....wish they would punch more hole here faster and i am a hunter that uses the land that has no money in any oil company nor do i own any mineral rights
    - Had associations with a secessionist party which claims she was a member. Her husband was a member till 2002.
    she is a US citizen, its her right, see the 1st amendment.... dont see any issue with it.....infact think the south was 100% fullywith in their rights in what they did
    - Has extensive pork spending on her brief record, and despite dishonest claims to the contrary, was a big supporter of the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska up till it became a national disgrace.
    she also has done wonders with the Alaska budget.....actions speak louder than words
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    All together now!

    so? i dont have a problem with this....McCain says he wants to revoke Row versus Wade which i agree with....McCain thinks its a state issue, not a federal one.....he aint looking to change the law in Cali or whatever.....just taking an unconstitutional ruling off the books as it should be
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    Palin is not an unknown just cause you dont know her.....................she has been on my radar for the last 16 months.....where have you been? hell ive been talking bout her since the begining primaries on another site..though i often got blasted for it cause the alaskan guys on the site didnt want to loose her ....and the repubs aint loosing many votes cause of her.....to think that is grasping at straws.........besides she is the VP candidate....love how Obama supporters tear into HER when Obama is running against McCain.....thats interesting......she is as much of an "unknown" as Obama was when he started campaigning.........where is the issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Botanicadenta View Post
    All together now!



    hhhhuuuuuuuuuaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!
    keep it up...........not against abortion as a choice.......i think its the wrong choice but i aint necessarily against someone taking at as a way out even though i could never.....however im all for unconstitutional laws being taken off the books......have said before in this thread that im a HUGE supporter of the power being in the states hands....why would it surprise you im against Roe v Wade? i dont see it as any different from medical marijuana as an issue....put it to a vote in the individual states........
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    Obama burst onto the scene four years ago by giving a stirring speech at the Democratic National Convention. Give it a watch:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQkJNVsgKM

    From that moment on, I knew he'd be our next President. Until a few days ago, 70% had never heard of Palin. I'm a news junkie, and her name had never come up from any of the pundits. I actually think she's not a bad person - she has some myopic and skewed views that are the product of being in the middle of nowhere among religious evangelicals, but she seems like a real person. But not VP material, not even close. This isn't so much about Palin as it is about McCain and his judgment. He very well may die in office, so his VP candidate is very, very important. And he's picked someone woefully unequipped to handle it. And it sure reads like a cynical attempt to get women to vote for him.

    And just so we're clear - it's Palin's position, and the GOP position, that abortion should be illegal, period. Not a state's issue, ILLEGAL.

    And Rattler, the data is clear - provide kids sex education and contraception, and the teen pregnancy rates go down. Do abstinence-only education, and the rate goes up. It's really a no-brainer, but these are people who let religious/political dogma get in the way of reality, which is also shown in their policy on teaching creationism. They reject science, and are hostile to inquiry and reality in favor of crazy dogma. Again, these things have real-life consequences. It's time to go back to the political wing that takes reality seriously.

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    ah, excelent, so like the medical marijuana issue, we can allow a pro-life federal government shut down abortion clinics on a whim as we're seeing the DEA shut down dispenseries in LA. absolutely wonderful.

    So a decision to expand free choice is unconstitutional? Granted, absolute freedom is evocative of anarchy, but if we have the chance to regulate things like abortion or medical marijuana responsibly then can we please, PLEASE stop inventing criminals for the sake of philosophical and moral bias?

    On an unrelated note, why do you feel it is necessary to punctuate with 5-12 periods? Just curious.

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    dude i also believe the feds have no business in drug control.....thats another state issue just like there are "dry" counties.....nothing in the constitution says individuals are not allowed to smoke flower buds from a bush......the feds have no flipping business trying to regulate it....the states do....the feds dont, trhe feds only pertain to matters of NATIONAL securityand the making sure the constitution and bill of rights are enforced....thats it....they shouldnt be in the drug control business when a good portion of the population views it as a non issue........havent yah figured out yet that im unhappy with our current guberment lock, stock and barrel? if yah havent your pretty dense

    as for all the periods.......something i have always done........get used to it......your the first to bring it up and ive been here for almost 5 years.....

    Caps.....still say sex ed is a parent issue, not a school issue.......the "teen pregnancy problem" is a modern invention....100 years ago you were out of the house and likely married at 16-18......physiologically we have not changed in the last 100 years......mentally we have gone backwards.....most all can be attributed to government run schools raising kids so their parents dont have to.....more and more schools are less about education and more about being a babysitter for the parents.....my sisters, bother and i all knew the alphabet(as in recognizing letters, not singing the "alphabet song" ) by the time we were 4 and were reading some by the time we hit kindergarten........now a days its easy to find a 2nd grader that cant read hardly at all.....why is that? lack of parental involvement for the most part.....

    sex ed is 100% on the heads of [parents, not schools, dont give a rats **** how a parent tackles it....yes i know some ways work more than others but it aint my place to raise their kid.......
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