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    Wow, now that you mention it that wording is curious.

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    Wow! I don't know anything about this woman but I'm very pleased to see the Repubs are open enough to having a woman as VP. I say this because every "Red State" man I know thinks women are idiots. I suppose she likely has their ideals (i.e. fetus person, oil person, god person, war monger, anti-gay, etc.) but at least it IS a woman. I'll say wow again.

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    headed out...........going fishing, hiking and hunting for 3 days and not have to deal with any politics.......got to get back to living the good life.......hopefully it wont rain.........cyas later..................
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    Indeed?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Est View Post
    And then I see on CNN which on my screen in a minimized window reads "McCain taps Alaskan Gov..."

    Am I the only one who finds the wording... curious?



    Also:


    WOW! This thread is just FULL of surprises! :chuckle:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capslock View Post
    Reasons why Palin is a bad choice:

    1) She has virtually no experience. She has only a bachelors degree in journalism from the University of Idaho, and was a pageant queen, a sports reporter, and a fisherman before becoming mayor of a town of 9700. Prior to her recent election as governor, that's it. And yet she's a heartbeat away from the Presidency, a valid concern with the elderly cancer survivor, McCain.

    2) She's staunchly anti-abortion.

    3) She's favors teaching creationism in science class (yikes).

    4) She's an oil person. For Anwar drilling and off-shore drilling. Her husband works for BP. We need a break from these oil people.

    5) She's opposes equal rights for gay people.

    That's a start, and I think this really undermines McCain's argument that Obama lacks the necessary experience for President. A VP must be ready to assume the Presidency just like the candidate themselves. How can they argue about Obama's youth and inexperience now without undermining themselves? To me, this reads like an insulting and cynical attempt to garner Hillary Clinton voters just because he picked a woman.

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    1) She actually has more experience making decisions than Obama. Has actually made more choices in office than Obama has.

    2) I feel ya here but would not stop me from voting for her.

    3) I kinda feel that a hybrid of creationism and evolution actually happened.

    4) That may be so, but you have to drill and get us through til the alternative energy options are finished and readily available. I hate giving the amount of money we are giving to the Arabs.

    5) This is another thing I may not agree she is for, but it will not stop me from voting for McCain and her.

    I still love ya Max even though we almost always disagree in politics He he he.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    actually she is very pro alternative energy........she just realizes we need oil to(have you for got plastics, fertilizers, hebicides and pesticides come from oil) and to get oil we have to punch holes......if your against doing this dont complain about $4 a gallon gas...

    as far as experiance Obama has been in the senate for what? 2 years? critiquing government from the sidelines......Palin has been governor for 2 year putting forth and running policies, done wonders with Alaskas budget......deals with foriegn nations on a regular basis(or have you forgotten Alaska is bordered by Canada and Russia?)....she has as muuch and i say more experiance than Obama........

    i like that Palin is short on DC experiance....means she aint been touched by its back room politics......thats a GOOD thing...hell its a plus alot of ppl have been trying to give Obama........bet yah she kicks Bidens rear in the VP debate....Palin is not just another pretty face....she has some of the highest approval ratings of any governor in the US......
    Woo Hoo Rattler!!! WOO HOO!!!! YEAH BUDDY! We have a winner with them two! I know you don't care for McCain, but I do and I am going to give the GOP another chance because the dems just stink. LOL
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    rattler,
    I simply look at what works and what doesn't, what achieves the aspirations I have versus what doesn't. Objectively and by the numbers, the economy has done better under liberal Presidents who favor a social safety net than under conservative Presidents. See chart here, that was even before the last four bad economic years:
    http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm

    Secondly, the most prosperous countries in the world, the ones with the highest standards of living (and it's not us), have a mix of capitalist and "socialist" economic policies. Assuming things like public education are "socialist."

    So yes, I favor the candidate that sees the screwing we're getting from the oil companies as something that needs to be fixed. We have no shortages of places to drill, and giving oil companies long-term leases well before we even have the capacity to refine that much oil or drill what we have is just a pandering giveaway to the oil interests, particularly ironic given they are the ones behind the screwing. And drilling won't change the price of oil in any noticeable way.

    The companies like you and I run are nothing like Exxon. They bear no relationship whatsoever. And not just for the size of them, but also for the fact that they hold a special responsibility to society, as they are the guardians of a necessary commodity for everyone. They are in a situation which requires MORE regulation. We, in contrast, run small businesses that require less regulation, both for our size and the fact that people could live with or without us. I believe that an Obama administration would provide the best environment for small businesses.

    The last eight years have not been good on almost any front. Clinton's economy was excellent as a whole and we were at peace. I believe this is no coincidence, and have no choice but to hold candidates and parties responsible for their performance. I've only touched on the economy here, but I also support Obamas's anti-war stance, and the bulk of his social positions. Now, you could do a lot worse than Palin if you're McCain. And I appreciate that it's going to be historic either way. But to me, this is an easy vote.

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    Oh, and it's all good JB! Rattler you and I always disagree on this stuff. So what? I like a good political dust-up among friends!

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