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    *looks at the article, makes that 'what the hell?' face, looks back*

    hm.

    *looks at it again, scratches head"

    wha?

    *walks out to his front porch, looks around for a bit, walks back in*

    Wait, hold on...

    *gives up, goes to bed*

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    Conservation only applies to certain things, Neps, VFTs, blonde cheerleaders, fetuses and that sorta stuff you know...

    If we could find a way to drill for oil at the top of Mt Kinabalu how many dedicated CPers who "really care" would be for it if they could just get cheaper gas? What really makes anyone think drilling will lower gas prices anyway? The stock industry will still be allowed to artificially inflate prices with "speculation". We could all have an oil rig in our back yard and we'd still be paying through the nose. Once government is allowed to be in bed with big business the way it has in this country it's the nightmarish end of Machiavellis civic minded republican society. America as it stands now is the worst outcome he could forsee in a republic when he was writing 500 years ago. Machiavelli would just poop if he were here today, the republicans have gone completely the wrong direction according to his founding principles and what the founding fathers (who used his writings The Prince and Discourses as a blue print for early America) intended.

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    I have no doubt that drilling in every possibly productive location will reduce energy prices. It'll increase supply and limit speculation. At least for for now.

    The important question is whether it's worth it. In my opinion, it isn't a good idea and I've been an advocate for artificially raising energy costs, through taxes, for a long time. Before all you conservatives only a couple decades out of diapers say I'm being a typical liberal, I learned that from my deeply conservative father, who knows what conservative is all about.

    The US is in deep doodoo now because of decades of cheap energy policies. My father has always seen it as more of a national security issue, since he worked in the defense industry, while it's always been more of an environmental issue to me. But it's a rare political solution we agree on.
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    We aren't actually "low" on oil as it is, this "crisis" is a manufactured symptom of the speculation problem. Drilling more may indeed uncover more oil, we likely will have to suck this planet dry before anything is done about seriously seeking alternative energies, I'm not doubting that logic, we're lazy and complacent and nobody likes change if they don't "have to". Massive drilling efforts will still not limit speculation. Speculation is based on the idea that someday there might not be a lot of oil, but we have plenty now, having even more of what we already have plenty of will not lower speculation and hence prices won't go down. Remember that this "crisis" is entirely manufactured by the media (from the right and left) and the energy speculators and the oil compnies who swear they're going broke even if their CEOs only bring home a mere $160,000 a day (Exxon Mobile). This is a monster the energy market has created and Machiavelli warned against, and once Godzilla is storming through Tokyo do you think he's going to go back into the sea on his own accord?

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    damn weather screwed my plans so i came home from the lake early....dang rain made it impossible to get to my hunting spots tomorrow anyway.....besides a buddy had a carpet job he wanted help with so i might as well spend my vacation making money.........

    gotta laugh at the comment that McCain is a fascist yet they support Obama as he is a Marxist ......6 of one half dozen of the other, either suck.....i prefer pure capitalizm as i prefer its results.....

    one MAJOR reason im against Obama is congress is democrat right now....no way in hell do i want a democratic Prez and congress just like i dont want a republican prez and congress....look how Bush f'ed us up, most of that traces back to a Repub president and Congress.....the lil guy get screwed over MUCH MUCH less if we have a republican prez and a demo congress or a demo prez and a republican congress........it goes down hill fast if they agree with each other......very lil gets through when they fight with each other and i like that........

    play on......im getting up early to lay carpet so im headed to bed and prolly wont check in till tomorrow night........
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    Have you actually read Marx? I really doubt you have, cos if you did you would see clearly that Obama does not promote any sort of revolution and dissolution of the state to a working collective. What happened in Soviet Union was not real Marxism even though they claimed they were, they may have held those ideals, like we do the constitution but like us, they didn't follow the doctrine the way it was written. And Obama has even less to do with Marxism than the soviets.

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    he has same basic idea but getting there through democracy....its like calling McCain a fascist it aint exactly correct but its a close approximation........
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    Obama could be considered to have socialist leanings but he is not a Marxist by any means. He does not call for revolutions by the proletariat to overthrow the bourgeoisie and true communism. In fact in all of the speeches of his I have heard I found very little Marxist theory in them and I have read a good deal of Marx's works.

    Now if by Marxism you are referring to what went on in Russia in 1917 or in China in the late 1940's well those were totalitarian states and if this is what you fear then voting for McCain is a bad idea because he supports the removal of our civil liberties, which would put us in essentially the same situation. We just wouldn't have the illusion of communism forced upon us.

    and for the record I never accused McCain of being a fascist, only that he was taking classic steps that allow fascism to take hold.
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