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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    His prior political positions NEVER required natural born citizenship. Arnold is the Governor of California and he's not natural born and as much as I love him he's not qualified to be President. I don't consider 10-11 years "decades" and besides the Democrats were looking to Hillary for the majority of this campaign.
    Good point. (In my defense, by decades I'm referring to all positions I mentioned, including schooling - not as sensitive as public office, but they still track your information at universities.) Still, you didn't really address the meat of my response: why hasn't McCain disclosed his medical/military records?

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    How is it low in the midst of controversy to ask someone to clear something up by providing authentic documentation? If McCain was in the same scenario, I would want to know the truth.
    So, I guess, by the same scenario you mean exactly the same scenario, and not one that's a whole lot worse.
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    Speaking as a conservative and someone who plans to vote for McCain..
    I cant believe people are still actually debating Obama's birth certificate..
    come on people..you are smarter than this..

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    Speaking as a conservative and someone who plans to vote for McCain..
    I cant believe people are still actually debating Obama's birth certificate..
    come on people..you are smarter than this..

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/

    Scot
    Scot,

    There are two forms of birth certificates. Short and Long:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_birth#Long_forms

    Obama refuses to release his long version. I'm honestly in the middle of whether or not he's a natural born citizen. To me if he was, he would have simply released it. The fact that he's willing to pay someone to represent him in the court room to make sure it doesn't get released doesn't settle too well with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Scot,

    There are two forms of birth certificates. Short and Long:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_birth#Long_forms

    Obama refuses to release his long version. I'm honestly in the middle of whether or not he's a natural born citizen. To me if he was, he would have simply released it. The fact that he's willing to pay someone to represent him in the court room to make sure it doesn't get released doesn't settle too well with me.

    I've never heard of a "long form"..
    I recently needed a copy of my birth certificate when I got married..
    My parents or I couldnt find the original, been missing for decades..
    So I got a new one from the state of Pennsylvania..
    it was "short"..a simple document, looks very similar to Obama's shown on the polotofact site..

    that was good enough for the state of New York, Monroe county, and the city of Rochester..none of them asked for a "long form"..

    The nation of Canada also accepts my "short form" when I cross the border at Niagara Falls, and the government of the USA accepts it as legit when I come back..

    to me this is a non-story..
    the Obama birth certificate is legit..end of story.

    If there was any truth to this Hillary and McCain would have found it by now..

    Scot

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    Maybe because it is a nonissue and furthermore maybe it is degrading to have to submit to such inquiries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    I've never heard of a "long form"..
    I recently needed a copy of my birth certificate when I got married..
    My parents or I couldnt find the original, been missing for decades..
    So I got a new one from the state of Pennsylvania..
    it was "short"..a simple document, looks very similar to Obama's shown on the polotofact site..

    that was good enough for the state of New York, Monroe county, and the city of Rochester..none of them asked for a "long form"..

    The nation of Canada also accepts my "short form" when I cross the border at Niagara Falls, and the government of the USA accepts it as legit when I come back..

    to me this is a non-story..
    the Obama birth certificate is legit..end of story.

    If there was any truth to this Hillary and McCain would have found it by now..

    Scot
    Scot,

    I think this clip explains it better than I can:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZAbqgpoGQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    Scot,

    I think this clip explains it better than I can:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZAbqgpoGQ
    quote from the youtube guy:

    "certification of live birth is not a certificate of birth"

    that means my copy of my Pennsylvania birth certificate isnt good enough to prove I was born a US citizen..
    the USA, Canada, state of PA, state of NY, Monroe county, and the City of Rochester all seem to think it IS good enough..
    none of them have any problem with my "short form".

    I look at it this way..

    the Hillary and McCain political machines would both have a LOT to gain by this story being true..with all their massive resorces,
    neither could prove Obama is not a legitimate citizen..

    so..weighing the evidence logically..who is more likely to be correct?
    the massive Clinton and McCain political machines? (which is basically both sides of the entire US government)
    or a few nut-jobs on youtube?

    you decide..

    Scot

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    quote from the youtube guy:

    "certification of live birth is not a certificate of birth"

    that means my copy of my Pennsylvania birth certificate isnt good enough to prove I was born a US citizen..
    the USA, Canada, state of PA, state of NY, Monroe county, and the City of Rochester all seem to think it IS good enough..
    none of them have any problem with my "short form".

    I look at it this way..

    the Hillary and McCain political machines would both have a LOT to gain by this story being true..with all their massive resorces,
    neither could prove Obama is not a legitimate citizen..

    so..weighing the evidence logically..who is more likely to be correct?
    the massive Clinton and McCain political machines? (which is basically both sides of the entire US government)
    or a few nut-jobs on youtube?

    you decide..

    Scot
    I guess you don't understand. The short version of the birth certificate is not a legal document. Just like if I show you a credit card with my name on it that isn't proof of my identity.

    It's more than a few nut-jobs on youtube. That's why there's 8 lawsuits pending. Maybe the reason the Clinton and McCain machines didn't jump on this is because they like you gave Obama the benefit of the doubt and didn't go there. I did too until the conflicting information on where he was born, the adoption of his step-father and Indonesian citizenship and now the fact that he's fighting it in court rather than dispelling it.
    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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