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    Quote Originally Posted by seedjar View Post
    I'm curious, scotty - how will socialism destroy this country?
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    because we cant afford it..

    sure, it would just be wonderful if everyone could have free health care..
    thats a worthy goal..
    but who is going to PAY for it??
    our government cant even run the things its supposed to in a fiscally responsible manner..
    the national debt is out of control..
    now we are expected to raise taxes even more so that everyone can have free health care and given money to afford a home they cant afford and lets give everyone free cars and free college education and on and on..

    sure, in a utopian dreamworld everyone would have free health care and a free college education and an affordable house..

    but this isnt a utopian dreamworld..

    its the REAL world..

    and here in the real world we simply cant afford the kind of socialism liberals want..
    they keep trying anyway..and it keeps failing..
    the current economic collapse..fueled by the sub-prime mortgage mess is a perfect example of how these liberal socialist policies cant work in the real world..

    sure, its a great ideal to give a mortgage to everyone..
    the problem is..in the real world, not everyone can afford it..

    thats why socialism cant work and thats why socialism will destroy the country if we keep trying it..

    Scot

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    I love it that people who promote that they're Christians and Social Conservatives (Republicans) are always the ones who hate welfare, community assistance and equality for people who are different from them.
    Be careful with the stereotypes. There are those, like me, who are (Born Again) Christians, Democrat, and just love "the Robin Hood Effect". I absolutely abhor the rich getting richer, at the expense of the rest of us, and then telling us all that they earned, deserved it, and therefore get to keep it. They won't get to keep when they get to the other place, though! They should have used their riches to help other, instead of their greedy, selfish ambitions!

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    Uh, by the words of the McCain-Palin ticket themselves, we're the richest, most powerful nation in the world. If we can't afford to give everybody free health care, how can Canada do it? How do most of the little backwards nations in Europe manage to give free higher education? (Even to immigrants, I'll add.) There's plenty of money when the top 0.05% of the wealthy aren't taking it all for themselves. Seriously - find an estimate of the global net worth and then divide it by the current population. I dare you.
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    The best standard of living in the world is in the countries in northern Europe where capitalism and socialism are carefully balanced. We do the same, we're just imbalanced right now on the side of capitalism, and that's why we're in quite the fix right now.

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    I'm curious, scotty - how will socialism destroy this country?
    ~Joe

    because we cant afford it..

    Americans pay twice as much per capita for health care compared with residents of countries with socialized medicine. Yet, statistics show that the health of Americans is worse. Furthermore, the 47 million uninsured Americans have inadequate access to health care. Americans are paying more and getting less. The free market simply isn't working, at least when it comes to health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seedjar View Post
    I still haven't seen anyone bring up the extremely questionable economic theories that allow us to justify this type of business. You can find plenty of instances of short-sighted financial decisions, enough to pin to any political party you set your sights on. But more than the agendas behind those decisions, I think it's the speculative behavior of counting cash before you have it in your hand that is at the core of these issues.
    I'm curious, scotty - how will socialism destroy this country? We're in the crapper as it is, with a number of socialist countries pulling well ahead of us in terms of growth, health, employment, education... (I can't actually think of many large, successful nations that don't have socialist policies. Mexico?) Besides which, I don't really think that this is a genuine instance of socialism more than it's an example of loan sharking. We can both probably agree that you shouldn't borrow what you can't pay back, and likewise shouldn't loan what you can't expect to be paid. If banks had been watching out more carefully, they could've loaned less and still had the capital they need to stay afloat. The truth of the matter is that the people who had the power to protect us instead tried to make a buck and overextended themselves. Banks have billions of dollars per year worth of financial advisors on their payroll - poor people don't. I agree that a lot of politicians are shady little moneygrubbers that led us into this, but I resent the assertion that it's the everyday American's desire to own their own home (rather than handing over 50%-80% of their income to modern-day land barons) that put us in this situation.
    Would redistribution of wealth be such a terrible thing? I wouldn't call it fair at all, but it is prudent. The wealthy of this nation have a disproportionate sway over our governing process (which is arguably unconstitutional) and have, again and again, demonstrated that they don't have our, or often even their own, best interests at heart. If we insist on giving the rich carte blanche with our nation's welfare then we deserve this and whatever more trouble comes our way.
    ~Joe
    I think the real question here is what are American values? So many people, including the ones I see on here have lost touch of what this country stands for and represents. If anything, this election is all about values. Do we keep or "change" our identity? So many people here cry boohoo, the wealthy have more money than I do..so what! I'm by NO means wealthy at all, infact I have more debt than wealth. Some partially my fault, others college loans and mabye partially to the economy. HOWEVER you don't see me suggesting that we pick-pocket other people to pay for our endeavors. No. I was raised American. That is, I have to get up off my ****, go to college, and work to pay for what I want. Weren't any of you taught responsibility or that you had to work to get something you wanted? Or did mommy and daddy give you a free ride your whole life so you have no idea what it means to actually earn something on your own merit? The government doesn't owe me anything besides the rights I'm entitled to listed in the Constitution. Why do you feel ENTITLED to something you don't deserve, besides not wanting to do whatever you have to do to get what you want?
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    That's a pretty deep load of BS, Outsiders. Your idea of what the country stands for and represents is just your point of view and your understanding of others is pretty stunted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    I love it that people who promote that they're Christians and Social Conservatives (Republicans) are always the ones who hate welfare, community assistance and equality for people who are different from them. Of course, when their city is wiped out by a hurricane or tornado they want all the same federal aid and other help they would deny others in their various times of need. What they actually want is socialism for some whom they've selected "deserve it" by some imaginary criterion they've devised. I recall arguing with one guy on this very forum who said the NAACP was bad "cos it gives blacks free college", I told him whites are projected to be a minority by 2040 so maybe he could get free college then, he said he already gets free college... So... it's just the poor and the blacks you don't want going to college or advancing themselves - just say it.

    Anyway, I still await a good answer as to why helping people is bad... What magic words can anyone tell me to make me think charity and helping others is a bad thing?
    WOW, you are totally out of the ballpark on this one. Liberal isn't left enough of a definition.

    Christians/Conservatives are the biggest donors to charities via pocketbook and relief efforts. Just take a look at Biden/Obama's tax returns, Biden with 0.6% of his yearly income and Obama with 1.5%. I've never heard of a local church not helping a family in need, based on criteria.

    Please explain to me why you believe Blacks, specifically, deserve more help from the government? They have been given the tools needed to be successful, and actually have one up with Affirmative Action which is essentially reverse discrimination. So you believe by giving Blacks a paycheck every month for X amount of dollars is somehow going to fix everything?

    BTW, I take offense to your comment about hurricanes...In 2005, during my spring break, I went down to Slydell, Louisiana for the whole week to help out Katrina victims. I stayed in a church, took cold showers, ate hospital quality food, worked my **** off from morning to evening, and slept on bare floor. I had to gut out houses down to the studs and wood frames. I didn't get paid a single dime. I actually had to chip in to pay for gas (drove from Ohio), and pay for whatever else I needed. The church based out of Slydell, called First Baptist Church wasn't 'selective' either. We helped people of all backgrounds, some who didn't even believe in God. I did this to serve, support and love the people in need. I can guarantee you that no matter how much I would have paid the government via taxes, they could have not done the job that my team and others from across the nation did down in New Orleans. That's the difference.
    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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