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    Obama and ACORN, the truth.

    A very interesting and important article that everyone should read:

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...hZWQ1MTA=#more
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    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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    I've been wondering if this would ever be discussed during this campaign..
    I was afraid it might be completely ignored..

    I have a theory..
    naturally Democrats would NEVER discuss or even admit that this kind of lending was supported by them..and how it led to the current economic crisis..they will ignore and deny this as much as possible..

    but oddly..Republicans would ALSO tend to ignore or downplay this story!
    why??
    because if they bring it up, they will instantly be accused of Racism..

    of course, racism has nothing to do with it..but im sure Democrats will sling that word around anyway..
    its their only defense..

    thanks for posting that!
    now we have Acorn tied to both voter fraud AND encouraging the sub-prime mess..
    and Obama linked clearly to both..

    IMO there has been no question that democrats fueled the sub-prime disaster..in the name of "fairness" of course..
    "its not FAIR that some people can afford a house and others cant! lets give houses to everyone!"

    Socialism will destroy this country..if we let it.
    Obama is your guy if you believe money should be taken from the "Rich" and given to the poor..even if "the poor" cant pay it back..just give them the money anyway! houses for everyone! yay!
    and give the poor lots of money they dont even HAVE to pay back, (the welfare state)
    because hey..its just not FAIR otherwise..

    and make no mistake, to Democrats, the "Rich" includes YOU!

    Scot

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    I still haven't seen anyone bring up the extremely questionable economic theories that allow us to justify this type of business. You can find plenty of instances of short-sighted financial decisions, enough to pin to any political party you set your sights on. But more than the agendas behind those decisions, I think it's the speculative behavior of counting cash before you have it in your hand that is at the core of these issues.
    I'm curious, scotty - how will socialism destroy this country? We're in the crapper as it is, with a number of socialist countries pulling well ahead of us in terms of growth, health, employment, education... (I can't actually think of many large, successful nations that don't have socialist policies. Mexico?) Besides which, I don't really think that this is a genuine instance of socialism more than it's an example of loan sharking. We can both probably agree that you shouldn't borrow what you can't pay back, and likewise shouldn't loan what you can't expect to be paid. If banks had been watching out more carefully, they could've loaned less and still had the capital they need to stay afloat. The truth of the matter is that the people who had the power to protect us instead tried to make a buck and overextended themselves. Banks have billions of dollars per year worth of financial advisors on their payroll - poor people don't. I agree that a lot of politicians are shady little moneygrubbers that led us into this, but I resent the assertion that it's the everyday American's desire to own their own home (rather than handing over 50%-80% of their income to modern-day land barons) that put us in this situation.
    Would redistribution of wealth be such a terrible thing? I wouldn't call it fair at all, but it is prudent. The wealthy of this nation have a disproportionate sway over our governing process (which is arguably unconstitutional) and have, again and again, demonstrated that they don't have our, or often even their own, best interests at heart. If we insist on giving the rich carte blanche with our nation's welfare then we deserve this and whatever more trouble comes our way.
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    Crazy allegations. The problem ACORN has is that they paid people to register voters, and they paid by the signature, which led to individuals trying to make money by putting fake signatures down. There is no allegation of ACORN trying to get fraudulent votes cast, and ACORN has a record of turning in people who did this themselves.

    The notion that trying to get housing help for poor people led to the subprime mess is laughable. The lending institutions went on a binge of subprime lending on their own, for their own purposes (greed), and over-leveraged their mortgages in criminally negligent fashion in a desperate attempt to accumulate wealth during the housing bubble. It's no surprise that the Republicans would jump on anything that's designed to help the poor, however. They see no problem with literally hundreds of billions of dollars going to the wealthiest people on the planet, but god forbid someone does something to help out the least fortunate.

    For the history-challenged (and history deniers) out there, lending institutions for decades red-lined entire neighborhoods and denied loans to minorities regardless of credit status. Groups like ACORN began to combat this institutional racism, and to advocate for those on the outside of the American dream. They have no authority over lending institutions. And they are not responsible for the decision by the lending institutions to DOUBLE the number of subprime mortgages written in the last few years, nor the decision to leverage these holding sometimes at a 30-1 rate. That greed and negligence, and lack of government oversight, is what caused our economy to collapse.

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    I love it that people who promote that they're Christians and Social Conservatives (Republicans) are always the ones who hate welfare, community assistance and equality for people who are different from them. Of course, when their city is wiped out by a hurricane or tornado they want all the same federal aid and other help they would deny others in their various times of need. What they actually want is socialism for some whom they've selected "deserve it" by some imaginary criterion they've devised. I recall arguing with one guy on this very forum who said the NAACP was bad "cos it gives blacks free college", I told him whites are projected to be a minority by 2040 so maybe he could get free college then, he said he already gets free college... So... it's just the poor and the blacks you don't want going to college or advancing themselves - just say it.

    Anyway, I still await a good answer as to why helping people is bad... What magic words can anyone tell me to make me think charity and helping others is a bad thing?

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    It's laughable that the McCain campaign first ridicules Obama because he was a community organizer, supposedly since community organizers have such a low standing in society and are not very influential. Then the McCain campaign charges that an association of community organizers (ACORN) has so much power that it can force banks to make bad loans and ultimately cause a global economic disaster. McCain's ACORN strategy isn't working (for obvious reasons), so it has shifted to the terrorist mode. That might amp up his core supporters, those 25% who continue to support Bush. But it will alienate everyone else. McCain has run out of options. He is impulsive and erratic, which will be even more apparent in these next few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    I love it that people who promote that they're Christians and Social Conservatives (Republicans) are always the ones who hate welfare, community assistance and equality for people who are different from them. Of course, when their city is wiped out by a hurricane or tornado they want all the same federal aid and other help they would deny others in their various times of need. What they actually want is socialism for some whom they've selected "deserve it" by some imaginary criterion they've devised. I recall arguing with one guy on this very forum who said the NAACP was bad "cos it gives blacks free college", I told him whites are projected to be a minority by 2040 so maybe he could get free college then, he said he already gets free college... So... it's just the poor and the blacks you don't want going to college or advancing themselves - just say it.

    Anyway, I still await a good answer as to why helping people is bad... What magic words can anyone tell me to make me think charity and helping others is a bad thing?
    exactly as I predicted..
    this story has NOTHING to do with racism..
    yet some liberals just cant resist making it about racism..

    as I said..its their only defense..they cant admit the actual problem is liberal policies..
    naturally all liberal policies must be wonderful..
    liberal policies CANT be the problem..
    so instead it must be about conservatives being racist..
    flip the story..

    same way that the voter fraud story isnt actually about liberals committing voter fraud..instead the story is about how the evil republicans who fight voter fraud are "intimidating" people..

    thats clearly not what the story is about..
    but thats the spin liberals have to put it to deflect the attention back to the republicans..

    slight of hand..change the story so the other side is evil..while ignoring the actual story..

    Scot

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