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Thread: Book: The Savvy Converts Guide to Choosing A Religion

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    >Is one made of magical plaster that makes it not idolatry?>
    Absolutely not. If you pray to a statue of Jesus, that is idolatry just the same. The statue being a statue doesn't make it an idol. It's the practice it's reserved for. If I picked up a field stone and prayed to it, it becomes my idol. Anything can be an idol. Heck, one could pray to toenail clippings and make that their idol or god. There's a new religion to start, and that book will even guide you as to how. (joke) ;-) I'm often afraid that I come off as snide. I hope that isn't the case. I'm a very jokey, lighthearted person.

    >Islam is the only religion I know of which forbids any depiction of living creatures (man or beast).>
    Some of the stricter sects of Amish go against photographs due to the Bible verse about graven images being taken out of context.

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    LOL! Nothing wrong with sarcasm at all. Sometimes jokes can be better and more freeing than yelling! I think people should all laugh a whole lot more and not be so uptight.

    I agree with you that any iconic worship is idolatry, yet there are many, many Catholics out there who are "Mary watchers" as my aunt calls them (who is catholic BTW). I don't however agree that there is anything wrong with it. If you wanna pray to toenail clippings or a Philistine statue of Dagon, be my guest! One book titled Astonish Yourself; 101 Experiments in Everyday Philosophy suggests turning an old phone book into a bible like object and venerating it and reading from it everyday for a week or a month and see what you think of the experience and then when you go back to venerating your old religious book see if you feel any differently than you did before the phone book experiment.

    But I'd still like to hear your answer to my query:

    "... what I wanna know is what is it that makes your religion more true than anyone else's if not your belief that makes it so? What sort of tangible proof (not just "belief alone") do you have, which you seem to be alluding to, that proves that yours is "the one" over all others? If it's not based on the belief that yours is the one (because your book says so) what physical proof is the claim based on?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    You'll have to take the tenets of Islam up with Ahmad if he feels brave enough to pop in and give us his take, not being a Muslim or knowing enough of their scriptures I can't speak for them.

    Here I am!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiana Gardener View Post

    It's not difficult to break the main points down into less than that;
    islam - pray to a dead man and kill nonbelievers
    christianity - pray to a spirit who lives forever, love one another, care for the poor (non-believers included), forgive your enemies, etc


    Um, we don't pray to a dead man and we're not taught to kill nonbelievers.
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    islam - pray to a dead man and kill nonbelievers
    christianity - pray to a spirit who lives forever, love one another, care for the poor (non-believers included), forgive your enemies, forcibly convert other to your "better" religion, etc
    buddhism - basically you bow before a statue until you are enlightened enough that you become your own god. Wow, I'd be in trouble if I was my god. How does that help me? LOL
    I find this highly, highly offensive. But that is to be expected from a narrow minded racist christian such as yourself.







    Not so funny now huh?

    Nothing wrong with liking your religion, but it is wrong to bash others without knowing a thing about them...a key reason i dont like many religions.

    BUT i do love the book swords. funny stuff, but apparently we cant take jokes in america anymore. i want to start my own religion now haha.
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    They whole Mary thing can be taken too far into idolatry too. The Bible doesn't say all idols, except for Mary, are wrong. It says idolatry, any of it. There are many forms of Christianity. Everyone interprets the Bible differently. The one fundamental core is a belief in Christ.

    I guess it comes down to personal experience, results to prayers and so on.

    I know it's not come up yet, but I feel compassion especially for Hindus. India is such a poverty stricken nation plagued by starvation. Very much due to poor families feeding their cows above their own needs. They won't kill the cows or ride the villages of them, because it's their god, and the cows defecate and urinate in the same water supplies that starving children play in, drink from, and the family washes in. It's quite sad to be into idolatry so far to that point.

    >Um, we don't pray to a dead man and we're not taught to kill nonbelievers.>
    Ok, Ahmad. Then I was mistaken. No hard feelings I hope.

    Wow, I don't know how racism got brought into this. Any skin color is capable of believing anything they want. Just an opinion from this dark complected caucasian who's darker than most of his still-living family members. I've even always been attracted to ladies with a permanent tan. My grandparents would pitch a fit, but what do I care? LOL

    >Nothing wrong with liking your religion, but it is wrong to bash others>
    As I already pointed out, christianity has been equally discussed, or "bashed".

    I have nothing whatsoever against anyone of any religion. People are people the world over. If we don't all agree, we don't have to take it personally. I even have a cousin who joined the Amish community. After 20+ yrs he still doesn't even agree with them 100%.

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    i wasnt actually calling you a racist, i was just trying to show...ok its one of those things that sounds different than it reads haha.

    Just a touchy subject i guess...
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    If anyone has any questions about Islam, feel free to ask.
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