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    Who's Godwin? Is he related to Murphy? And who are the Chefs?

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    I was hoping for no debates and just a curious sit down to see what everyone felt on the subject.
    And you got it. I was actually surpised at how far that went. When you start a thread like this there is no way to predict where it will end up. Try not to let it get under your skin...
    that makes no logic

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    Godwin's Law says that, as an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to Hitler/Nazis approaches 1.0.
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    the whole point went over your head.......Jim pointed out one aspect of Obama that he was impressed with Obama's speaking abilities....i pointed out that the same sort of thing has been said of some of the worlds worst leaders, actually i would put him closer to Castro than the other two....Castro promised every one similar things that Obama is the number one being "change" yet no one seemed to think to ask what that change would be or how he would go about doing it.......Hitler and Stalin did place blame on certain types of ppl they just took it to a farther extream than anyone imagined.........course the same could be said that some of our greatest leaders were great speakers.......was just pointing out the other side of the coin.....

    im all for change, most here know im extreamly unhappy with how things are being done now........however i also have no problems putting those i support under the microscope, hell i said in my first post i dont agree with McCain half the time and i do share some of the same reservations about him as some here, if yah search posts froom 6 months ago you will see he was FAR from my preferred candidate.....it strikes me as funny and scary alot of die hard Obama supporters or just anti-republicans refuse to do the same to their candidates, they accept what ever their person says as the absolute tuth......the same sort of thing is how we wound up with leaders like Stalin, Castro, Hitler, ect.....not enough ppl stopped and asked at what cost do we want our change......im all for throwing each and every person running for political office under the microscope, especially those i support
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    Quote Originally Posted by herenorthere View Post
    Godwin's Law says that, as an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to Hitler/Nazis approaches 1.0.
    Hmmm... I didn't know that. Thanx! Strange that Macchiavelli doesn't elicit that same notoriety.

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    Although there are a number of crises that need attention, it's become pretty clear that the US is incapable of electing anyone who's willing to tackle them. I really wish we could take the candidates from just about any other country and select from them instead. It's pathetic, but our system is completely broken.

    No one can get elected without doing raising some big dollars and, let's face it, those with big dollars to donate to politicians/political parties aren't like the rest of us. Yet they get to decide who the rest of us get to choose from. For me, this election comes down to two major ideas - who is least likely to continue down our current path and who's least likely to do something really stupid. I'm voting for Obama.

    Obama was only my 3rd (or maybe it was 4th) choice among the Democrats originally in the race, but I didn't have to think twice about voting for him against Hillary when those were the only two left by the time of the CT primary. The big money people had ensured that I didn'y get to choose one of the better candidates. I told friends that my nightmare scenario was having to choose between Hillary and McCain, but I don't have to think twice about voting for Obama against McCain.
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    I'm obviously a McCain supporter, so for why I won't vote for Obama:

    1) Lack of experience. He's been in the Senate for 4 years, 2 of them campaigning. He has no established record in the Senate, besides being the most liberal senator in the United States.

    2) Lack of person. I don't know who he is. There's a lot about his background which is unknown. Some of the people he looks up to and calls them "mentor" are people like Rev. Wright. His other associations are troubling, and the more that we find out about who Obama deals with, the worse it gets. Another example of his mysterious background is his citizenship. It is unclear as of today if Obama is a natural born American citizen.

    3) Foreign policy. Since he's become a Senator, he's been openly against the Iraq war. I believe we went in there based on intelligence that we were told was solid. Today we know that evidence is not solid. Regardless, it is fruitless to argue about the origins of the war because in reality it's going on now. Obama rejects this reality and his answer to Iraq is to withdraw the troops. Withdrawing the troops doesn't fix anything. It doesn't help the Iraqi's rebuild their country, and will most likely hand Iraq over to terrorists/Iran. It also doesn't make sense in the number of American lives we lost to just pull out. The mission is so close to being accomplished and he wants to piss on the graves of those who've died and make their sacrifice vain. We don't need another Vietnam. The surge has worked, and continues to make great gains. To this day Obama denies the surge indeed worked, and if was President, wouldn't have given the surge a try. It was John McCain who fought his own party and President, who brought the Surge and Gen. Petraeus to the spotlight. Obama's plan is nothing but raising white flags, tucking tails, and losing.

    4) Economics. I believe America is a great place because of Capitalism. Obama wants to spread the wealth around, AKA Socialism. He wants to take money from those who work hard and give it to the many who don't even work. This is the most un-American fundamental idea EVER. His tax plan will hurt businesses, which will in turn hurt jobs. We need to cut taxes and compete with other countries tax rates to keep jobs here at home and to allow people to start more small businesses to increase jobs.

    5) Health Care. I don't want Government deciding what kind of health care I need. I also don't think it's right that my tax dollars will fund someone who outright refuses to work so they have health care.

    6) Values. Obama has the most radical abortion position in the Senate:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csrR0bNXbu4

    He's for the Freedom of Choice Act and for having tax payer dollars pay for those who have abortions. No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post

    1) Lack of experience. He's been in the Senate for 4 years, 2 of them campaigning. He has no established record in the Senate, besides being the most liberal senator in the United States.
    Agreed.

    2) Lack of person. I don't know who he is. There's a lot about his background which is unknown. Some of the people he looks up to and calls them "mentor" are people like Rev. Wright. His other associations are troubling, and the more that we find out about who Obama deals with, the worse it gets. Another example of his mysterious background is his citizenship. It is unclear as of today if Obama is a natural born American citizen.
    He also refuses to talk about it?? Shouldn't the president of the US have a crystal clear person? And not be afraid to tell you everything in his life?

    3) Foreign policy. Since he's become a Senator, he's been openly against the Iraq war. I believe we went in there based on intelligence that we were told was solid. Today we know that evidence is not solid. Regardless, it is fruitless to argue about the origins of the war because in reality it's going on now. Obama rejects this reality and his answer to Iraq is to withdraw the troops. Withdrawing the troops doesn't fix anything. It doesn't help the Iraqi's rebuild their country, and will most likely hand Iraq over to terrorists/Iran. It also doesn't make sense in the number of American lives we lost to just pull out. The mission is so close to being accomplished and he wants to piss on the graves of those who've died and make their sacrifice vain. We don't need another Vietnam. The surge has worked, and continues to make great gains. To this day Obama denies the surge indeed worked, and if was President, wouldn't have given the surge a try. It was John McCain who fought his own party and President, who brought the Surge and Gen. Petraeus to the spotlight. Obama's plan is nothing but raising white flags, tucking tails, and losing.
    Obama's plan is not horrible, but i'm afraid that he won't follow it through.....And a time-table pull out would not work. As soon as we would pull out, all the extremists would rush back in and reak vengance on US friendly people. And he doesn't have the experience that McCain has in these areas.

    4) Economics. I believe America is a great place because of Capitalism. Obama wants to spread the wealth around, AKA Socialism. He wants to take money from those who work hard and give it to the many who don't even work. This is the most un-American fundamental idea EVER. His tax plan will hurt businesses, which will in turn hurt jobs. We need to cut taxes and compete with other countries tax rates to keep jobs here at home and to allow people to start more small businesses to increase jobs.
    This is the big one for me, and I can't explain it better than outsiders.

    5) Health Care. I don't want Government deciding what kind of health care I need. I also don't think it's right that my tax dollars will fund someone who outright refuses to work so they have health care.
    Universal Healthcare in its self is a good idea, but again, there are those out there who just don't want to work. And those who work hard shouldn't have to pay for there health care.

    6) Values. Obama has the most radical abortion position in the Senate:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csrR0bNXbu4

    He's for the Freedom of Choice Act and for having tax payer dollars pay for those who have abortions. No thanks.
    I couldn't agree more. Taxdollars shouldn't pay for abortions. If the government shouldn't interfere with abortion choice than they shouldn't pay for it?? And he voted against the Born Alive Act several times, no "accident" there. A bill that even pro-choice groups supported.
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