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    New Zealand.........cause of the hunting tradition there that is still highly thought of through the majority of the country and is heavily protected by its citizens....talked to a couple Aussies that immigrated to the US and became citizens after the gun laws and such went in the toilet in the 90's and they said it was darn near impossible to immigrate to New Zealand and become a citizen as they have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world so they moved to the US and are now geting very worried we will take the same route as Australia.....
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    Botanica, in either North or South Dakota they are working on a bill that would indeed give rapists partial parental rights, including visitation. It's attached to an anti-abortion bill, of course!
    South Dakota. Of course its SD. Whenever you hear stuff like the politicians not caring about teacher wages (we have the lowest in the US, below the territories too) or education, think SD. When you hear about anything actually moving to restrict all abortions, think SD.

    Voters rejected the complete [illegal] ban on all abortions last time so they are going to try again... but this time rapist's victims would not be forced to not have an abortion... so I am not so completely and utterly opposed to it... but there is way too much crazy stuff still.

    rattler_mt says New Zealand... thats odd... because I was going to say that. NZ has some of the best conservation laws and programs in the world. Look at everything they are doing to protect their native flora and fauna, it puts America to shame... amazing... and the country is absolutely beautiful...
    that makes no logic

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    A couple sculptors on the Statue Forum had moved there, not permanent moves mind you, but for six months or so to work on Kong and some other film (Narnia maybe?) which were done by Weta Studios in NZ. Perhaps you need to already have a contract for employment lined up?

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    New Zealand, now there's a nice country! With a great kite designer too!

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    yep but you do realize Finch its the hunters that open up their wallets the widest when it comes to protecting land...

    for the record i am a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ways from even considering skipping the country hell ill work on getting Montana succeeded from the union before ill skip the country.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by schloaty View Post
    Ok, here is something I want to address... I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I've sort of been able to put my thoughts in order.

    First of all, calling Obama's plan socialism is a straw man. No, it's not. It does share some of the philosophies, but certainly not all of them... That's like saying because I have a nose, and a dog has a nose, that I'm a dog. Phooey.
    I think people such as yourself throw around the term straw man so much that it's lost its meaning. Wealth redistribution based on income is a tenet of socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by schloaty View Post
    About the "redistribution of wealth" thing:
    Yes, it IS unfair to tax people more because they make more. No one can deny that.
    However, much of life is unfair - suck it up.
    Suck it up? That's like saying because Michael Phelps is too good at swimming, he should have 50lb swimming weights strapped to each of his legs and arms during competitions so the weak can compete better.

    How about those on the bottom suck it up, make some more responsible choices in life and live by their means? If that isn't good enough for them, they need to work harder or try an alternative strategy such as going to college and earning a degree to gain the lifestyle they want. NOBODY is ENTITLED to anything. You earn your own here in America.

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    Why do I say this?

    I find most people who make the argument that it's unfair are making an emotional decision based on how they think the world should be, rather than how it IS. The simple fact is that we, as a society, have people that NEED the assistance. Now, I will be the first to admit that the current way we administer this assistance needs is terrible, but we do need it.
    If those who make a lot of money don't pay a little extra, those who need it won't get it from the goverment. Like it or not, this destabalizes the country, and makes it more difficult to hold onto the money you do make. Be it from an economic bust, or from just plain burglary.
    The simple fact is that sub-par people exist. Yes, they're parasites...and yes they SHOULD NOT need what that need, but they do. If we address that need, it will come back and bite us.

    And I hate that, but there it is.
    Whatever happened to the tenet of the survival of the fitest? :P.

    The problem is we need a better way of sifting from those who are in true dire, temporary, need from those who just are plain lazy. The fact is as a college student, only working 20hrs a week, there are people who are getting paid more by the government to do nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by schloaty View Post
    Now, what would get me to vote for McCain? First, GET RID OF PALIN. That lady is a menace. I could go ON AND ON about her.

    McCain himself I have less of an issue with....I think his foreign policy should be revamped, but it's not horrible - certainly better than Bush's. But I do think that Obama's will be better for our international image. I know it galls most Americans to think this is important, but it is.

    Lastly, Dems are historically more environmentally friendly.....I'd like to see a more clean-energy driven plan from McCain (Obama, too, for that matter). One that kicks out big oil, and puts research into wind power, etc.

    But seriously, get that woman off your ballot, and or you have NO shot of getting my vote....and for the record, that has NOTHING to do with her being a woman.
    Please do go on about Palin, because the only thing you have attacked about her is her gender.
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    yep but you do realize Finch its the hunters that open up their wallets the widest when it comes to protecting land...
    Yes. Yes, I was. I know all about DU's work in my area.

    for the record i am a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ways from even considering skipping the country hell ill work on getting Montana succeeded from the union before ill skip the country.......
    Since you are quite fond of the idea of succession, here is a heads-up. The UN and other intergovernmental organizations have some basic requirements for countries seeking to be recognized as independent, and one of them is that there usually has to be distinct cultural difference and way of life. Kosovo meets these stipulations... Montana really doesn't have a vast ethnic or cultural gap with its neighbors... ya can cite the laws and values there and all but in the end it doesn't add up to enough to convince anyone else that Montanans need their own country. You would need a better argument than "we hate the way you run things" and "you elected a democrat" to convince outsiders. Although apparently Russia doesn't care all that much if you can bear to support Moscow.... and they have tanks! Just ask Georgia the country.
    that makes no logic

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    at the moment i am not for Montana succeeding.......depends on what happens in the future yet.....as far as the UN.....dont give a flying fu......er.....ahhhh.....i really dont care what they think.....
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