o//~ Livin' like a bug ain't easy / My old clothes don't seem to fit me /
I got little tiny bug feet / I don't really know what bugs eat /
Don't want no one steppin' on me / Now I'm sympathizin' with fleas /
Livin' like a bug ain't easy / Livin' like a bug ain't easy... o//~
I back xvart on this comment. It is best to lock a thread before it gets out of hand. This thread has skated the line more than a few times. I politely advocate that all involved parties rein it in before they cross that line. If they choose to ignore this suggestion then they can face the consequences of their actions.
'My love was science- specifically biology and, more specifically, when placed in a common jar, which of two organisms would devour the other.'
See You Space Cowboy
WOW, talk about getting off topic here.....I thought I posted some quotes showing the beliefs this country was founded on.....I thought that people could think about those quotes and compare them to the ones that the 2 main candidates say......maybe I should make sure I am on the right thread......yep, I am......welp, all I really have to say about all this is the following:
Outsider......you asked to be shown what good is in the world outside of "christian beliefs"......to me that is an absolutely irrelevant question......EVERYTHING good in this world was here by the Creator long before christian beliefs came along.....I mean really, to say that no good came before Christ is simply ridiculous! And yes, by the way you worded your question that is exactly what you were implying, perhaps you meant to say biblical instead of christian......but if you look throughout history christian beliefs often times caused all sorts of evils.....and why is that do you think? Probably because the christian belief system is that you can sin (even though you shouldnt) and will be forgiven of it if you simply ask Jesus to forgive you......but yet the bible christians hold so true states VERY VERY clearly that NO WILLFUL SIN WILL BE FORGIVEN.......willful sin by the way is anything you KNOW is a sin and do anyways (like telling a "white lie", looking at someone or something with lust, etc.) The bible and Christian beliefs are two totally different things and are polar opposites.....christian beliefs are set up by doctrines of men (i.e. baptist, morman, catholic, etc) and their interpretation of the bible, not the bible itself but another mans own beliefs that they then indoctrinate into all they come across.
So, I ask you outsider, what good has come of these christian beliefs you speak of? The only good in this world comes from the Creator, not a doctrine of faith or beliefs....dont forget to look at the christian presidents this country has had and look at some of the evils they pulled/pull....
And what makes you think this country has risen to the top? We have schools that brainwash our children, doctors that kill their patients with deadly drugs (not to mention the over the counter junk that is equally as deadly), laws that are stripping our rights away, vaccinations that poison our youth as well as adults, and a society that thinks this is all just hunky dory and dont ask questions.....you think this is rising to the top.....no sir, we have not risen to anything but instead sunk to the level of willfully ignorant slaves.....working to pay taxes......owning property that you have to have permission to do anything on and that you have to continue to pay taxes on for the rest of your life......buying food with deadly preservatives, food colorings and artificial (fake and undigestible) vitamins and minerals that kill instead of nourish.....media that tells you nothing while making you think you know it all......television and music that is breeding a filthy generation full of hatred......I could go on and on but will stop with that......if this is the top I want to go back to the bottom!
Now dont go getting all out of control asking me how I would like to move to a different country that does not have this that or the other....personally, I am thankful for the breath of life that I have been blessed with and my position on this earth will not change that.....besides, I believe it is just a matter of time before this country goes sour.
Sorry to pull you out of the crowd outsider, it just seems to me that you are demanding an answer to a question that has no relevance or logic.....
Well, I have read this several times and dont believe that I have overstepped the lines with anything I have said.
Last edited by Victoria; 10-31-2008 at 11:20 AM. Reason: stupid smileys keep popping up
They are slowly and painfully killing you.....did you know that?
How brainwashed are you?
Honestly I would like the topic to get back on topic. To give you a simple answer, I don't see Christianity as a religion or rule set but as a way of life that entails obviously that there is a God, Christ and Holy Spirit. I was simply asking a genuine question of the original poster who posted the provocative statement:
I don't see the world as inheirently good outside of what God has and continues to do, including the hope and new life that Christ brings. I was only curious to hear another point of view, regardless if we agree or disagree, instead it has snowballed.I think it's a hallmark of a paragon Christian when they understand that Christianity isn't the only thing right with the world.
If you or anyone else wants to talk about this feel free to PM me, this is my last post publicly in this thread on this matter.
"Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."
For what it's worth, my own belief is that the major problem with Religion is that it allows people to externalize their problems and forgo holding themselves accountable for their actions and instead rely on God/Jesus/Allah/Zoroaster/etc. to forgive them. This operates on all levels, including international relations. Ultimately, the arrogance that universal forgiveness to those who believe allows people to be human for the sake of being human is dangerous.
I believe that before we go to God for forgiveness, we need to forgive ourselves, and anyone who feels that an action may result in a net negative response need to think twice about what they are doing before they decide whether or not their God can forgive them. This includes presidents and senators. We're all in this together, and we need to ultimately benefit one another before we follow the path of vindictive crusades against our fellow man.
Furthermore, as a nation, I believe we need to be hospitable to those we disagree with instead of excluding them because of an overarching belief, popular or otherwise. If we believe in allowing life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, we should first seek those things which do not deprive others of theirs.
Before taxes come up, unless any of you are actually making the quarter of a million dollars required for increased taxes, can we please stop the anti-taxation spiel and be thankful that we do have roads, working stop lights, police, fire departments and teachers(all socialist entities within our government) and pay these people the paychecks they deserve?