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    I don't think we are related. My ancestors are from North East of Europe - aka Russia. Crusaders came there a few times as well (more of a "missionary trip"), spreading the good word and love of God by fire and sword, executing monastics and clergy as heretics and so on. In the end it got too cold and they were crushed (one of the more famous battles took place on a frozen lake in April, I think, the crusaders' armor was heavy so the ice broke and most of them sunk).
    Our ancestors probably fought too then... Middle East... Ottoman Empire... Who knows
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    Hassan I Sabah or the Old Man of the Mountain was the leader of the Hashishim or Assassins during the crusades. He would drug new converts of his cause with hashish and have them brought into a beautiful palace, a "paradise" of food, women and everything they'd been promised in scripture and his own propaganda. As they awoke in this "paradise" they would believe he had been able to deliver his word that he could indeed deliver them to paradise. They would again be drugged in a later meal in this manufactured paradise and taken outside. When they again awoke those who fell at his feet he knew were his true fighters. This is a common generalization of the story.

    I always wondered what happened to the ones who suspected they'd been deceived... lol!

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    Hashish is smoked, its weed. So I don't see how they could have been drugged without their knowledge.
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    how do you guys know about your great great great great great great great ancestor? does your parent keep record of it or something?
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    That is correct. I have a large roll of canvas with records of my father's family down to 1700s. Who was born, when they died, whom they married, their children and so on.
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    back to the topic...

    SEX.

    I dont think anythings wrong about sex, sex ed, etc...but hard porn in front of kids is different. Im fine with normal sex talks, but having little Johnny ask you why that lady is tied to a tree...or rolling in mud with naked guys...*sigh*...is another, horrible, god awful thing all together. That gas staion should put a white sheet over that stuff with a sign on top or something...
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    jeez obregon, which Circle Ks are you visiting?

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    Dimka,
    "Hashish" is simply concentrated cannabis resin glands, indicating an absence of vegetative material, this can be smoked or eaten. "Weed" is vegetative material (flowering tops) which has resin glands on it and is most often smoked. More traditionally in that region of the world however, Hashish is commonly referred to as Keif or Kif which is simply cannabis shaken with a sieve which produces a mixture of glands and some vegetative material. The bulk of the plant material is then discarded, the resin glands are what is important. This Kif is smoked widely in islamic areas where alcohol is forbidden. However ingestion in food is far different than smoking. These loose resin glands are easily introduced to foodstuffs, anything that is warmed (i.e. by cooking) is sufficient to make the alkaloids active, smoking is not a necessity and is infact the least psychoactive means of ingestion. If the resin glands are not pressed into the bricks for the smoking trade like you see on the TV news, in it's natural form it's just like grains of sugar. Consuming it this way (in food) is far longer lasting and much more powerful as it passes more slowly through the system. Traditional candies such as Majoun are hashish candies which have made their way into classical 19th century western literature. Large doses of eaten hashish create full blown psychedelic "trips" or "mystical experiences" similar to LSD, peyote and mushrooms. (Reportedly) markedly different effects than when it's smoked because of the longer blood/brain intereaction.

    If you're interested enough, have a look at "Hashish" by Robert Clarke which is a thoroughly in depth and illustrated monograph of this phenomenon and how it differs from "weed" from prehistory, the middle ages and on to the present day.

    Obre,
    I'm not saying we should have kids watch Debbie does Dallas or anything like that however, they will eventually see something like that sooner or later and may ask you about it. Depending upon your relationship with the kids, if they talk to you or not - you'll have to provide an answer. Some kids don't ever communicate as equals with their parents which I think is very sad. I put this silence more on the parents attitudes of being an overlord than the kids not wanting to communicate. You may have to confront something like pornography with an answer. Not thinking of it, or hiding it doesn't make it not exist. What are you going to tell them if they ask about seeing something like that? If you freak out and make a fuss that can be the birth of a life-long "thing" about sex for them. There's no telling how that "thing" will develop later on but plenty of empirical evidence shows that the more sex is repressed in someones life and made "wicked" by their early imprints and conditioning the more criminal their later sexual behavior can become. I feel the less it is made into a "big deal" and paid only passing attention as just another interest of one part of the adult population the less it will become a major part of a kids psyche.

    When I asked my parents what gay was (young kids throw that term around a lot without actually knowing what it is) they told me the facts but never said it was great nor did they say it was of the devil. A simple explanation is all it takes, kids can deduce the rest with their own faculties as to how this new information fits into the world as they understand it. Usually better than adults I find, who usually think they "have it all figured out" and throw fits when new ideas arise. Grasping at far reaching illogical conclusions of rare possibilities. Which I think is probably where adults get the idea kids can't handle new information. I don't believe that children's minds are the precious little porcelain dolls that will shatter with new information that we often think they are. The "innocence of childhood" is a myth and should be renamed the "ignorance of childhood" and I think ignorance should be combated at all stages of life. As questions arose in my youth my parents would answer without rhetoric or judgment and that, I feel was conducive to a good communicative relationship which continues to this day.

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