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    here is why that video is fake.....(as in not an actual fur farm).....

    #1 a fur farm is going to be looking to get the most $ out of an animal hide....in order to do that there needs to be as lil damage as possible.....in other words you would NOT be grabbing the animal by the tail and beating it against the ground....you would NOT be beating the animal over the head with a pipe or a knife to stun it better to complete skinning....this damages the fur....it would NOT EVER be done buy anyone seriously doing this for a paycheck...

    #2 the procedure used to skin the coon in that video simply is not done buy individuals looking to sell the fur...the animals are tube skinned so that the skin is kept whole.....a couple slits are made at the back end under the tail and its peeled off like a tube sock....ill take pics of a coyote and fox hide ive got at home to show how few cuts are made.....this procedure is done to every animal i can think of that is sold for fur but maybe big cats.....how the animals above were skinned is how i skin a deer when all i care about is getting the hide off quickly so that the meat cools fast....for example in what this means in price....last year, had i sold a top quality northern bobcat hide, skinned in the above manner i might have got $100 for it, tube skinned correctly it would have been worth closer to $450....a coyote skinned like above might have been worth $20, tube skinned correctly closer to $65..these were prices for top quality, raw, fleshed hides.....not tanned hides....just like a fur farm would deal in....so how an animal is skinned makes a big difference on the bottom line of a fur farm just like it does a trapper.....

    #3 as i said the above procedure is a dangerous one for the skinner, the likelihood of getting hurt by the animal doing the above practice day in and day out is to damn high.......can yah do it a couple of times and get away with it? sure.....but doing it 8 hours a day, day in and day out means at some point you aint going to stun an animal as good as you thought and you will lose fingers or at the very least give a blood donation that would make the red cross proud.....kinda like the idiots that think 1000 pound cows are hung upside down before they are killed in a butchering facility......the only thing thats going to come of it is very high workman's comp rates and your going to go through throat slitters like wildfire and fill up the local hospital with maimed ppl...
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    This is the kind of thing that makes me sick. I wonder how much money Peta has made off people signing up to support them after seeing this video.

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    Edited my above post.
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    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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    hmmmmmm.....dont have one done up to sell, have a couple trimmed up so they lay flat against the wall when hung....

    basically couple cuts under the tail


    than peeled down like a tube sock, and the belly and back skin is left unharmed so who ever buys the raw furs can choose what they do with it









    that is basically how most skins look when skinned to sell to a wholesale fur buyer though the leg fur is generally still attached.......
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    Those are nice! What would be the usual hair-left-on tanning fee for something the size of one of those?

    Would look nice stretched in a frame on the wall... not that I have the means to do that now, but I'm curious anyway.

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    these raw furs ran about $110 combined 2 years ago($35 for the fox, $75 for the coyote).......my wife asked for them for x-mas......havent gotten around to tanning them but i can do it for about $10 worth of chemicals or send them to a professional and have it done for about $30.....IIRC i would prolly have paid $85-$90 for them last year, not sure what prices are this year yet as we are just starting the prime time for pelts......
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    $35 isn't so bad for the fox. That would be plus the cost of the pelt itself though.

    I haven't really done anything much with hides, just salt curing a few things. My best to date is a squirrel back side that looks as if it's crawling through the wall. LOL I would like to get into doing more advanced work at some point, but probably not any time soon.

    I've considered salt, borax, brain, and chemical. Salt makes them tough. Borax is supposed to make a softer and more durable pelt. Brain seems like a long, smelly process. Does chemical beat them all?

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    actually havent done much of it myself just cause i havent had the time........since these are basically just going to hang on the wall and nothing else im nor that concerned bout maintaining prefect flexibility throughout the hide or any of that, just concerned with preserving the skin and keeping the hair on the hide.....the pelt itself was $35, plus i think $10 to have it tanned........

    when we were out hunting 2 years ago the wife and i were sitting and watching a 'yote hunt bout a half mile off through spotting scopes as there wasnt much else out and moving at mid-day, the wife stated she would really like a pelt of one for the living room wall like is at a friend of ours cabin......ive shot lots of fox and yotes but alot of them tend to have mange or a big hole punched through them due to me using my deer rifles for varmint rifles....i know a guy north of me that runs a trap line and i cherry picked a couple of his better pelts to give to the wife for x-mas....planning on seeing if i can shoot a bobcat this winter to go with these......rather shoot one and go through the process with fish and game than pay $450 for a good northern bobcat pelt i can get Texas 'cat pets much cheaper but they arent as nice as those from cold climates
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