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    The Dude abides.
    Grand Hotel... always the same. People come, people go. Nothing ever happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch View Post
    Or a national DNA database where the public's DNA data is stored to help in ID in case of a crime, even your DNA even if you have no record. Wait, Britain is already doing something like that...

    and... *looks at swords new avatar*

    *flee*

    Arent the states starting to do the same, with out the knowledge of the parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    (BTW: new avatar is from The Big Lebowski incase nobody knows that movie. lol! )
    God I love that movie and your avatar... It made me laugh the first time i saw it.

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    The Big Lebowski is the story of my dad - in a manner of speaking of course. When I saw the movie way back when, I couldn't believe it wasn't my old man playing the dude, they just used a time machine to get a young version of him and changed a few of his his wacky adventures to create that specific plot. I couldn't wait to show him the movie when I got it. Now in his old age my dad looks pretty much like Karl Marx - just a bit more grizzled. Still the same old "dude" though, crazy Nam Vet friends, Credence, cardigan, rug, and all. lol!

    I must admit I'm divided on the DNA thing. I think it could be good to have a child's DNA with the number of abductions and murders going on. However I never trust the state to "only" do what they say they're going to. I think the family should hold onto those records. I don't know what they would do with your DNA, other than frame you - which is bad enough. Give them time I suppose and they'll come up with something even more interesting!

    Is it weird that when we imagine things the government might do, it's only bad things? lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    Is it weird that when we imagine things the government might do, it's only bad things? lol!
    No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there is nothing to be afraid of. LOL

    We only assume that because I cant think of a single instance where a government took it upon itself to gather information on people and it was actually used to help them.

    I agree the families should have the cards containing the DNA or should at least have to give consent for the gov't to keep it on file. As for DNA for abductions families will likely have pleanty of things with DNA on it like toothbrush or hair brush to get an ID.
    "We're terrible animals. I think that the Earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should." - Kurt Vonnegut

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    In the book "The World's Weirdest Tattoos" is a tat of Walter wielding a crowbar and in medieval script the colorful sentence: "Do you see what happens Larry, when you .... " I can't post the rest of it here cos of the younger members who aren't supposed to see R rated movies & language - I love that scene! I even wrote an essay entitled "How to offend on three different psychological levels" defending the end of that sentence as the current top of modern insults when deconstructed and analyzed. Complete with footnotes & flimsy research to support my premise, it ends with a plea to the studious Cynical reader to come up with something better or rather, worse. lol! I think I'll pass on having it tattooed on me though!

    Back on the topic of the brain scan for a sec, this story is from India, I wonder how far they are along at experimenting with it here?

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    at this point I dont think this technology would hold up in our court system. Both of us came up with ways to create reasonable doubt, plus the brain is not understood well enough that this wouldnt come under intense scrutiny by any half decent lawyer.

    What I wonder is if you convince yourself you had a false memory of you doing it or not doing it how would this effect the scan. Would this show up
    "We're terrible animals. I think that the Earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should." - Kurt Vonnegut

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    What I wonder is if you convince yourself you had a false memory of you doing it or not doing it how would this effect the scan. Would this show up
    Like the memories "uncovered" during the Satanic Ritual Abuse / Repressed Memory scare of the 1980/1990s? Where no bodies of sacrificed babies or worldwide conspiracy of satanic cults was uncovered by any impartial investigator, yet there were mountains of books written by evangelical therapists "finding" all these hidden memories in people. The more someone denied it happened the more gruesome and fantastical it really must have been and the more repressed the memories must be. It gave Geraldo something to put on TV and me something to read. But it seemed to be believed by the therapists and sensationalist media more than the actual "victims"... lol!

    I suppose if one truly believes anything, be it "false", implanted / imprinted / conditioned, or self imposed, the brainscan could be tricked. This describes the ways we acquire all of our beliefs - beliefs don't drop out of the sky like snowflakes. Believing a "lie" or a "wrong" belief is no different than believing the "truth" or a "correct" belief. It affects the believers mind the same if it has been made true in the mind of the believer. Lie detector tests are cheatable if one has control over their nervous system, which is controlled in large part (maybe even entirely), by the belief system. Do any of us think Bush or any politician would fail a lie detector? I think they'd pass with flying colors - there's a lot can be said for self delusion to the point of believing your own PR (especially when it's your job). Mark Twain said "Faith is believing what you know ain't so. " But I think that what you believe makes it so, as far as your own nervous system (mindbody connection) even if it's not so for anyone else operating with their own nervous system.

    Say for instance, you believe spiders are all out get you, you're going to react in a very excited fashion when one comes walking by, while everyone else watches you wig and ignores the apocalyptic threat of the humble daddy long legs. A paramedic & hardcore punk guitar player friend of mine is mortally afraid of spiders from the time our teachers "lost" tarantula made it's dramatic reappearance by climbing up over him once, way back in 1st grade. He can handle bleeding, screaming, gunshot victims at work and perform onstage but a spider nearby makes him become a frighted 7 year old frozen in panic. I'll never forget the time we were at the studio and his band was recording a 7" for my old label and during a break a spider somehow chose him to drop from the ceiling in front of. None of us could believe his reaction was not a put on until the spider was removed from the area and he explained how it went back to Mrs. Knights tarantula. That's an example of how a belief (spiders = evil) can affect the entire nervous system. All beliefs seem to work in precisely this same way whether it be a phobia or adamantine certainty on something.

    I guess in my own rambling way I'm saying if we can fool ourselves into believing everything that we already believe, we can probably do so with a belief / memory we originally believed was untrue / incorrect, so that it's not detectable by a machine. Our minds / beliefs / memories are highly modifiable if we know the techniques. Sadly many people do not take the time to investigate this - I look at it as a form of consciousness self defense. If you understand how others try to impose beliefs on us, we can resist being unwittingly modified by outside forces and be our own modifiers.

    Rescources:
    Neuropolitics RA Wilson & Tim Leary
    Prometheus Rising RA Wilson
    Programming the Human Bio Computer John Lilly
    Quantum Psychology RA Wilson

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